From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Nov 14 16:50:31 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BDD716A4CE for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:50:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from mail.blarg.net (zoot.blarg.net [206.124.128.9]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8370443F93 for ; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:50:30 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from abowhill@blarg.net) Received: from io (vp047.dmp02.sea.blarg.net [206.124.131.47]) by mail.blarg.net (Postfix) with SMTP id A81E433E02; Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:50:26 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <000801c3ab12$93e5d560$0200000a@io> From: "Allan Bowhill" To: "Gary W. Swearingen" References: <20031114044623.C119838124@mail.blarg.net> Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:51:16 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: Re: C/C++ X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 00:50:31 -0000 > "abowhill" writes: > > > I love FreeBSD, I have followed it for years. But frankly, it's > > grown a bit stale, from a spectator's viewpoint. The more I > > learn about progamming the less I seem to respect the crufty > > old Unix traditions that nobody wants to break. > > > > Within the past couple of years, I have returned to school > > and am finishing prereq's to get into a CS program at the > > University of Washington. > > You'll find plenty of people that want to break UNIX traditions while > you're studying there in the Paul Allen Center, the large new CS > building mostly funded by him and the Gates and MSFT. You'll probably > even see many of them write "Unix" instead of the traditional "UNIX". Well, I won't exactly be going to the main campus, but a UW extension in Bothell, if I get accepted. They don't have a Paul Allen center for anything there, but they do have a fully-equipped LINUX lab :) The program is designed for returning students who want to prepare themselves professionally for CS based jobs. > http://students.washington.edu/linuxug/meetings.html still has an > announcement for a 23 May 2002 Linux User Group meeting, so if you > still have any desire to rub shoulders with non-MSFT folk, I suggest > that you check out http://www.seabug.org and http://www.gslug.org . Yeah, I was on the seabug list for awhile. I will probably resubscribe eventually. Speaking of rubbing shoulders, I ran into this guy a couple of years ago in the midst of all the layoffs, who noticed the FreeBSD bumpersticker on my car in the parking lot of a Circle-K near where I live. He got out of his car, knocked on my window, and asked me to get out of mine. He was kind of a big guy, so this made me a little nervous. Then he took off his shirt, and exposed two huge tattoos of Chuck on both shoulders. One shoulder had FreeBSD Chuck, and the other had an OpenBSD Chuck. I wonder if this is a metaphor for secret enthusiasm... > (I know that the UW does use UNIX (one sys admin frequents > comp.unix.bsd.freebsd.misc), but I suspect that it's mostly down in > the huge medical school facilities where reliability is still > respected by some.) > Nobody that knows FreeBSD is blind to its stability. Even C++ obsessives will attest to this. As for Unix at the UW, AFIK, there used to be a lot of Unix job postings at there, so there must have been be a lot of Unix activity. I don't know what the status is now with all the budget cuts. The UW is deferring a lot of things, until the funding can be sorted out. --Allan