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To: Mel Pilgrim References: From: Johan Hendriks Cc: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <1afffe5a-8882-6cd8-5c09-b0c93e28bec5@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 7 Dec 2017 10:30:14 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.13; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: nl X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Dec 2017 09:30:18 -0000 Op 07/12/2017 om 00:51 schreef Mel Pilgrim: > In the midst of all the negative noise, I thought I'd post and say > thank you for bring in this feature.  I've been chomping at the bit to > try flavours out since I heard about them.  I started flavouring my > company's internal Ports Tree extension the evening after it landed. > > Flavours are going to reduce 18 server role metaports to 3. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" Do you have a web page where flavours are explained nicely for non technical FreeBSD users so that they can also see the benefits of flavour. I think it is a little odd that a big change like this is not mentioned in any way on the front page of FreeBSD. I really believe things are better this way albeit i did not read and understand it in a whole. I also believe flavours are nice in a multi server envirement and on the desktop. The negative noice comes from people who USE FreeBSD on a single machine or maybe 2 and are now confronted with there old habbits not working anymore. Give those people a walkthrough how they can run poudriere. Best without out a server but just a oneliner they need to remeber for future updates. They do not want to spend too much time reading and trying to update there system. If FreeBSD has done that i think that was lot less negative noice on the channels. Secondly I want to thank you all for the great product FreeBSD is and it is a great product thanks to all the time people infest into FreeBSD. So thank you all. But i also hope FreeBSD learns from these big changes. If FreeBSD want a larger userbase, single machine users are there. And they do not want to spend an hour reading through a poudriere man page. They just want to type pgk upgrade, portmaster -d -a, or maybe poudriere update ports for all that matters. regards Johan