Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2020 07:50:34 +0000 From: Alexey Dokuchaev <danfe@freebsd.org> To: Warner Losh <imp@bsdimp.com> Cc: Niclas Zeising <zeising@freebsd.org>, FreeBSD X11 <x11@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Ars Technica article Message-ID: <20200413075034.GA46382@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <CANCZdfqfkVGDGssHC%2Bts6df7QeiCsA68CQnjOAAXdH2JsDMTaQ@mail.gmail.com> References: <4e3bf6be-aecf-7c62-df98-1cc4b01b8db9@gmail.com> <qjPID4gTE2NvAVjSZKmSBSLDOK7gxaJbnPw46O71vKnmV0b7uoMZ7xTv3RI30bRpPqphZAXTHd3r3RYSQ8UGaRVO45afo-EcYB34INKVAM8=@protonmail.ch> <43f83193-e495-2bf2-f85d-91aa0b36c1a0@gmail.com> <slUQwwm1giIIEaqmUKBQ1G5UIlVSvzfWkk3vZm-dBYNRA-wng7tDluv_Es3eOiaNYDE9yNtKFfd-2iOEozSGK1JNIjFbqCXV1a1sgkQ1sHE=@protonmail.ch> <0e205fe8-fbc6-5d91-99b0-1bd4870b8a5d@gmail.com> <CAGwOe2ZHZFhVwSvjk7JDe0szY-1oZH_HvDhMqp-zXXV9%2BePtHg@mail.gmail.com> <d263368c-5dcc-61c2-9c77-3d59c5493182@gmail.com> <536A0D50-4119-4C28-9202-28622152B203@freebsd.org> <20200413052406.GA90880@FreeBSD.org> <CANCZdfqfkVGDGssHC%2Bts6df7QeiCsA68CQnjOAAXdH2JsDMTaQ@mail.gmail.com>
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On Mon, Apr 13, 2020 at 01:11:30AM -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > ... > To be blunt: drm-legacy-kmod's days are numbered. It's irrelevant that it's > the only one that "works." It's a distraction to keeping drm-kmod working > on newer, more relevant hardware. It's unfortunate that some older hardware > has stopped working with the newer code, but much of that is due to > upstream pressures. Mind that you're talking about hardware just several years old; it's just as relevant for its users who bought their laptop like myself ~four years ago and now you're telling them (us) that you intend to remove the only working DRM port. This is certainly not the way to attract more FreeBSD desktop users; in fact, you'll likely get exactly the opposite. > My reading of that PR is why xf86-video-ati-legacy was created. Not really: hardware cursor got broken between versions 18->19, while legacy port tracks 7.9.0. I guess it should not be too hard to diff the drivers' source code and try to figure out what had changed, I'd look into this. > I know you're looking for someone to blame. That person isn't Niclas. Oh, I'm not blaming him at all. And more to it, while Andrea Venturoli is currently helps to debug xf86-video-ati-legacy issues, I'm not that concerned about that driver, but rather that all other DRM ports except legacy locking up my laptop upon "kldload radeonkms". This isn't right; it should be debugged and fixed, and only then drm-legacy-kmod port can be removed. ./danfe
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