From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 2 07:21:29 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0E0106566B for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 07:21:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4289D8FC12 for ; Fri, 2 Sep 2011 07:21:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-current@freebsd.org with esmtp (envelope-from ) id <1QzO48-0007ap-32>; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:21:28 +0200 Received: from telesto.geoinf.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.86.198]) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) for freebsd-current@freebsd.org with esmtpsa (envelope-from ) id <1QzO48-0006lB-0t>; Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:21:28 +0200 Message-ID: <4E6083F7.2080308@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 09:21:27 +0200 From: "O. Hartmann" Organization: Freie =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Universit=E4t_Berlin?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:6.0.1) Gecko/20110901 Thunderbird/6.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org References: <4E5941D6.9090106@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <4E5D3060.9090806@coreitpro.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: 130.133.86.198 Subject: Re: http://www.freebsd.org/marketing/os-comparison.html X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Sep 2011 07:21:29 -0000 On 09/01/11 20:26, Matt Thyer wrote: > Advocacy by the project members is not going to be taken as seriously as an > independent third party comparison. > > It's clear to me that the project should stick to improving it's own feature > set and leave these sorts of things to others. > > Otherwise we're straying into Fanboy territory which aint pretty. > > Once we have some world beating (or even close to equalling) performance we > can start to request that third parties take us seriously. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-current@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-current-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" What about this. People seem to have problems in a comparison. Seriously and indenepndently done, or not. For interested people like me with a basic education in "modern operating systems", I'm, for instance, not familiar with several termini technici. Let us start with the scheduling/scheduler. It is always usual to use the so called O-calculus ("Big Landau"-Symbol). How about to start with just lining up some "commong" things those POSIX operating systems do have. Scheduler, their internal "logic" and some pro and contra. Or "Big/huge pages". As far as I can recall BSDs call them different than Linux folks and for those not that deep in OS-internal bits it's hard to figure out what's meant to be said by "huge pages". I'm pretty sure, OS X has the same - but the child is called by another name. And even more, for those not familiar with the history and reasoning of the two great UNIX-evolution trees: How init starts up. BSDs/MACH start in two steps, SysV/Linux needs seven or so. And even this: what is the main difference between OS X (MACH), Linux (SysV based) and FreeBSD (4.4BSD based)? I'm pretty sure, all you people reading this list and emails are quite able to digg for the right answeres pretty fast since all of you are involved in the matter, but try to find answeres beyond your knowledge, imagine a perspective of those looking for the holy grale but do not even have any idea how the grale looks like! This could be a good startting point, being neutral and having still the ability to start comparisons if desired. Like me, I do not know much about the filesystems and capabilities of those beyond FreeBSD's, so facilities like journaling etc. could be mentioned and so on. What about such a "first step"? Sorry, if this already has been realized anyhow on the page and I'm simply to blind to find it (it would otherwise be a index of "it could not be find as easy as it is supposed to be"). Regards, Oliver