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Date:      Mon, 12 Jan 2015 14:54:21 -0500
From:      John Baldwin <jhb@freebsd.org>
To:        "Bjoern A. Zeeb" <bz@freebsd.org>
Cc:        "src-committers@freebsd.org" <src-committers@freebsd.org>, John Nielsen <lists@jnielsen.net>, Bryan Venteicher <bryanv@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" <svn-src-all@freebsd.org>, Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@freebsd.org>, "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" <svn-src-head@freebsd.org>
Subject:   Re: svn commit: r272886 - in head/sys: netinet netinet6
Message-ID:  <9249494.lCU21bPJgC@ralph.baldwin.cx>
In-Reply-To: <88ADFC71-FD44-4012-9814-1771D31646FF@FreeBSD.org>
References:  <201410100609.s9A690NU067686@svn.freebsd.org> <6173473.uE5Sr5nj0c@ralph.baldwin.cx> <88ADFC71-FD44-4012-9814-1771D31646FF@FreeBSD.org>

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On Monday, January 12, 2015 05:42:34 PM Bjoern A. Zeeb wrote:
> > On 12 Jan 2015, at 15:51 , John Baldwin <john@baldwin.cx> wrote:
> > 
> > On Tuesday, January 06, 2015 07:07:11 PM Bryan Venteicher wrote:
> >> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Bryan Drewery <bdrewery@freebsd.org> 
wrote:
> >>> On 1/6/2015 4:00 PM, Bryan Venteicher wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 2:52 PM, John Nielsen <lists@jnielsen.net
> >>>> 
> >>>> <mailto:lists@jnielsen.net>> wrote:
> >>>>    Bryan-
> >>>>    
> >>>>    On Oct 10, 2014, at 12:09 AM, Bryan Venteicher <bryanv@freebsd.org
> >>>>> 
> >>>>    <mailto:bryanv@freebsd.org>> wrote:
> >>>>> Author: bryanv
> >>>>> Date: Fri Oct 10 06:08:59 2014
> >>>>> New Revision: 272886
> >>>>> URL: https://svnweb.freebsd.org/changeset/base/272886
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> Log:
> >>>>> Add context pointer and source address to the UDP tunnel callback
> >>>>> 
> >>>>> These are needed for the forthcoming vxlan implementation. The
> >>> 
> >>> context
> >>> 
> >>>>> pointer means we do not have to use a spare pointer field in the
> >>> 
> >>> inpcb,
> >>> 
> >>>>> and the source address is required to populate vxlan's forwarding
> >>> 
> >>> table.
> >>> 
> >>>>> While I highly doubt there is an out of tree consumer of the UDP
> >>>>> tunneling callback, this change may be a difficult to eventually
> >>> 
> >>> MFC.
> >>> 
> >>>>    I noticed this comment while doing an MFC of vxlan to my local tree.
> >>>>    Do you think an MFC to 10-STABLE of this change (and vxlan
> >>>>    generally) will be feasible? Is there precedent for ABI changes like
> >>>>    this being sanctioned? Could symbol versioning help?
> >>>> 
> >>>> I'd like to get some consensus on whether this commit is OK to MFC.
> >>>> With
> >>>> this commit, vxlan should be an easy to MFC.
> >>> 
> >>> Breaking ABI will potentially hurt packages. FreeBSD builds packages for
> >>> the oldest supported release on a branch. If you break ABI in 10.2 while
> >>> we are building packages for 10.1 then any packages using these
> >>> interfaces may not work right or result in panics packages with kmods.
> >>> Please consider that.
> >> 
> >> The only user visible change of this commit would be the addition of a
> >> field at the end of 'struct udpcb'. I don't think that is a problem, at
> >> least a similar change didn't prevent the MFC of UDP Lite.
> >> 
> >> The kernel part of this changes the UDP tunneling functions which I guess
> >> there could be a 3rd party module out there, but I very highly doubt
> >> that,
> >> based on how un-useful the previous interface was.
> > 
> > Userland should not be impacted by this at all.  (Nothing in userland
> > cares
> > about udpcb's internals.)  I think there was only ever one consumer for
> > the
> > existing UDP tunneling code (bz@ knows what it is).  I'm not sure where it
> > lives.
> 
> If you are talking about u_tun_func then it came from SCTP over UDP
> tunneling.  tuexen and rrs are your friends.
> 
> I was wondering if it could be used similarly for IPsec UDPencap but I think
> that went nowhere back then.

It is the IPsec UDPencap case I was thinking of.  If that is a dead end then 
the only consumer is already in-tree, so in this case I think this is ok to 
MFC (but remember to bump __FreeBSD_version).

-- 
John Baldwin



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