From owner-freebsd-hackers Sun Mar 8 18:28:12 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id SAA26069 for freebsd-hackers-outgoing; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:28:12 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from smtp03.primenet.com (smtp03.primenet.com [206.165.6.133]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA25917; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 18:27:58 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from tlambert@usr08.primenet.com) Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp03.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id TAA13095; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:27:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr08.primenet.com(206.165.6.208) via SMTP by smtp03.primenet.com, id smtpd013074; Sun Mar 8 19:27:56 1998 Received: (from tlambert@localhost) by usr08.primenet.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) id TAA14706; Sun, 8 Mar 1998 19:27:50 -0700 (MST) From: Terry Lambert Message-Id: <199803090227.TAA14706@usr08.primenet.com> Subject: Re: Uncle Sam, got a million bucks? To: jkh@FreeBSD.ORG (Jordan K. Hubbard) Date: Mon, 9 Mar 1998 02:27:50 +0000 (GMT) Cc: hasty@rah.star-gate.com, perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu, tlambert@primenet.com, dkelly@hiwaay.net, hackers@FreeBSD.ORG In-Reply-To: <24443.889409587@time.cdrom.com> from "Jordan K. Hubbard" at Mar 8, 98 06:13:07 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG > Wine has always required more than a "little push", it's required a > Saturn rocket up the ass. When compared to real solutions like SoftPC > from Insignia solutions, it's not even close to being sufficient for > the intended purpose (running popular Win95 binaries, in case people > forgot) and I doubt that it ever will be. I agree with Jordan on this one. Even quadrupling my time estimates, I come out with under 3 years for a small 5 man team to make a WIN32 capable of running MicroSoft Office. The 5 coders would have to be *serious* about getting the job done. The WINE project, though well intentioned, just doesn't seem very serious to me. 8-(. > Sorry for the rampant pessimism but I've watched that project for > going on 3 years now and I think I could grow old and die waiting for > it to bear any real fruit. They bit off more than they could chew and > it wouldn't be the first time somebody's done that. It's not so much that as they bit off the wrong thing. The were doing Windows 3.1 calls when Win32 was already out. They also have a terrible metric for completeness of interfaces in the case of a failure, where if they have implemented N out of M interfaces, and M >> N, they report that they support (N/(N+1))* 100 % of the required interfaces. This makes things look more complete than they are, but it also means that it makes the project look like it's never making any progress. 8-(. Terry Lambert terry@lambert.org --- Any opinions in this posting are my own and not those of my present or previous employers. To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-hackers" in the body of the message