From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Apr 2 19:10:15 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C583106566C for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Received: from accord.grasslake.net (accord.grasslake.net [209.98.56.21]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 430F48FC19 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 19:10:15 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from swb@grasslake.net) Received: from [0.0.0.0] (honda.grasslake.net [192.168.1.1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: swb) by accord.grasslake.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEAA6FD041 for ; Wed, 2 Apr 2008 13:52:45 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <47F3D5EB.5050104@grasslake.net> Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 13:52:27 -0500 From: Shawn Barnhart Organization: Managed Chaos User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.12 (Windows/20080213) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <226ae0c60803180656x5d7d359bkf306aa1092816075@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <226ae0c60803180656x5d7d359bkf306aa1092816075@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: VMWare Tools for FreeBSD X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 19:10:15 -0000 David Robillard wrote: >> Basically the only reason I have for using VM Tools is for the ability >> of Vmotion and such with our ESX Server farm. It's really the only >> benefit that the VM tools will give me on FreeBSD as all my virtual >> machines which are running FreeBSD are servers and don't use any GUI's >> either. >> >> Currently there is nothing that doesn't run correctly under VMWare and I >> have not seen any lack of performance or anything compared to a physical >> machine. Maybe if enough of us push to have the VMWare Tools developed >> and certified for use with VMWare that they might actually get started. >> >> I might develop some sort of E-Petition for it, what you think? > > Why not? I'm in the exact same position as you are with ESX & FreeBSD. > Hence I'd love to have VMWare Tools developed and certified for use > with FreeBSD. Actually, I'd really like to see VMWare Server and > Player certified for FreeBSD i386 and amd64. VMWare is great stuff, I use and support all of it, but as a company they have a bit of Fortune 500 tunnel vision. Their pricing is geared towards nickel and diming large enterprises and their software support is geared too much towards Windows. Hyper-V will cut deeply into their market and they might regret being too MS-centered. I already have potential customers asking "Gee, what about Hyper-V. It's a lot cheaper than ESX and we don't really care about non-MS..." Pricing ESX enterprise (with all the bells & whistles, including vmotion, virtual center, HA, etc) at around US$500 per node and providing better support for FreeBSD and other alternative OSes would go a LONG way towards long-term competitiveness.