From owner-freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Fri Oct 6 13:29:26 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDD86E3756B for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 13:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Received: from mailhost.m5p.com (mailhost.m5p.com [207.172.210.101]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "m5p.com", Issuer "Let's Encrypt Authority X3" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 871B183709 for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 13:29:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Received: from [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:15ff::1f] (haymarket.m5p.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:15ff::1f]) (authenticated bits=0) by mailhost.m5p.com (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPSA id v96DT51R030978 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 6 Oct 2017 09:29:11 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from george+freebsd@m5p.com) Subject: Getting off topic (Re: portmaster, portupgrade, etc) To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org References: <20171004161649.GA51883@mail.michaelwlucas.com> <20171004171518.GA22519@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20171006074128.gg76cd72u7wxybd3@ivaldir.net> <20171006081342.GA34314@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20171006082025.msfyxzia3muf7lfp@ivaldir.net> From: George Mitchell Message-ID: <674d9501-6093-166f-bcf2-b4ac9ba87d06@m5p.com> Date: Fri, 6 Oct 2017 09:28:59 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.3.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171006082025.msfyxzia3muf7lfp@ivaldir.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="r1rsAu0254DCmTAFb6nfuCiKCnCb8WxWe" X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.2 required=10.0 tests=HELO_MISC_IP, RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.1 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.1 (2015-04-28) on mattapan.m5p.com X-Greylist: Sender succeeded SMTP AUTH, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.6.2 (mailhost.m5p.com [IPv6:2001:470:1f07:15ff::f7]); Fri, 06 Oct 2017 09:29:11 -0400 (EDT) X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 06 Oct 2017 13:29:26 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 4880 and 3156) --r1rsAu0254DCmTAFb6nfuCiKCnCb8WxWe Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sBdOXL0TAaIjLD4sUDvO5CBxHNNCWGjQX"; protected-headers="v1" From: George Mitchell To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Message-ID: <674d9501-6093-166f-bcf2-b4ac9ba87d06@m5p.com> Subject: Getting off topic (Re: portmaster, portupgrade, etc) References: <20171004161649.GA51883@mail.michaelwlucas.com> <20171004171518.GA22519@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20171006074128.gg76cd72u7wxybd3@ivaldir.net> <20171006081342.GA34314@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> <20171006082025.msfyxzia3muf7lfp@ivaldir.net> In-Reply-To: <20171006082025.msfyxzia3muf7lfp@ivaldir.net> --sBdOXL0TAaIjLD4sUDvO5CBxHNNCWGjQX Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 10/06/17 04:20, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: > On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 08:13:42AM +0000, Steve Kargl wrote: >> On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 09:41:28AM +0200, Baptiste Daroussin wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 05:15:18PM +0000, Steve Kargl wrote: >>>> On Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 12:16:49PM -0400, Michael W. Lucas wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Poudriere really needs its own small book. Yes, you can do simple >>>>> poudriere installs, but once you start covering it properly the doc= s >>>>> quickly expand. My notes alone are longer than my af3e chapter >>>>> limits. (I'll probably publish "FreeBSD Packaging Misery^WMastery" = in >>>>> 2018). >>>> >>>> Please include a discussion on how to use poudriere on >>>> a system with limited resouces (e.g., 10 GB of free >>>> diskspace and less than 1 GB free memory). I know >>>> portmaster works well [1] within an environment with >>>> only 4 GB free diskspace and 1 GB memory. >>>> >>>> [1] portmaster worked well prior to portmgr's decision >>>> to displace simple small tools in favor of a sledge >>>> hammer. >>> >>> FUD.. portmgr never took any decision like this. >>> The problem with portmaster (beside some design flows regarding >>> the "not build in a clean room") is that it is not maintained anymore= =2E >>> (Note that it has never been maintained by portmgr at all). >> >> I'm well aware of Doug Barton's history with FreeBSD. You >> can paint it with whatever color you want. >> >> If you (and other poudriere) contributors stated that flavors/subpacka= ges >> would not be supported by poudriere, would flavors/subpackages been >> wedged into the ports build infrastructure? >=20 > Yes because if you look at mailing lists etc, you ould have figured out= that > this is the number one feature requested in the ports tree for years. >=20 > Also yes we would have make sure that the tools used to build official = packages > would have worked with it, prior poudriere it was tinderbox. >=20 > And again we are giving time (and warning in advance) for all the tools= to catch > up! >=20 > Best regards, > Bapt >=20 Speaking solely for myself, I am more than pleased by all the work Baptiste and fellow developers have put into the ports infrastructure. THANK YOU! But also, portmaster is a life saver for me with my 4GB build machine, so I hope I can participate in reviving it. -- George --sBdOXL0TAaIjLD4sUDvO5CBxHNNCWGjQX-- --r1rsAu0254DCmTAFb6nfuCiKCnCb8WxWe Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEENdM4ZHktsJW5kKZXwRES3m+p4fkFAlnXhSEACgkQwRES3m+p 4floEw/+NS8gpxk8AApE4AXjgYihF6U+AKTi9xXjwgONdpbxZChoUcZUafQYAlj4 rIBeURg+XmfkULM9kjarcwOZf9X5Ri1GRRersAVdy2+Tg8wN0AayH0nsmJUDuuSM j+hxaKWhO6fGXZTvpffd6enW/u6o5d5dV/RwGjQqjtJbI5TuzJizn4hpVUH0IpJ7 v49q3R8aCOzFz80+DQh2u8DC/NxBPLlfcmFZYiOyhjC3zt9BtfzRyBgjpnt5klqh blyBa3L+igLIY3fqCqL6VoUD8jGGkqi8gsl0hIppxUC2v5I72dMrhwhWX/ZW8SRw IIdOD3E56oDfk+ddszSNw4ltjmmRGKrGqgIGwSIJ7RiMxhaJRRHIGiEvCkPy015K Y3rkSg77/1l/OFyLSAxnpvxvhcFWJ+LPB/BpzQoxY3cHFYuNjBcLE/V2MIHThdQJ 7Be/6EIAys4SrWhxJApc6J5p7hANy5narYnx3zM3wVlrW/qR13XsSycWh1p1Gx0l Gw6qwxevc10r1G3LPqwebSWwVimQb44NtZd/FGh15NnnsGxXapfAZm+XeScV6X6x Lf8F/w3G68AP0Jh0puGfGJ17G+jz6u3U3DkBgXu4zMpEhC0sEPtcsjW5+cjEiskw HRI7365DX891grrNeazxra6xnlCqeSwQ/HP32UjTdV/piyd7eBs= =R78R -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --r1rsAu0254DCmTAFb6nfuCiKCnCb8WxWe--