From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Sat Jan 5 15:07:11 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FDC1149D936 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 15:07:11 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from puchar.net (puchar.net [194.1.144.90]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "puchar.net", Issuer "puchar.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 858C385C33 for ; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 15:07:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@puchar.net) Received: Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id x05F7C0e000620 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 5 Jan 2019 16:07:12 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Received: from localhost (puchar-wojtek@localhost) by puchar.net (8.15.2/8.15.2/Submit) with ESMTP id x05F76pE000611; Sat, 5 Jan 2019 16:07:06 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from puchar-wojtek@puchar.net) Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2019 16:07:06 +0100 (CET) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Cy Schubert cc: Wojciech Puchar , Igor Mozolevsky , Enji Cooper , Hackers freeBSD Subject: Re: Strategic Thinking (was: Re: Speculative: Rust for base system components) In-Reply-To: <201901041951.x04Jppo2029486@slippy.cwsent.com> Message-ID: References: <201901041951.x04Jppo2029486@slippy.cwsent.com> User-Agent: Alpine 2.20 (BSF 67 2015-01-07) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 858C385C33 X-Spamd-Bar: ------ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of wojtek@puchar.net designates 194.1.144.90 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=wojtek@puchar.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-6.66 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.00)[-0.999,0]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+mx]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-1.00)[-1.000,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[puchar.net]; RCPT_COUNT_FIVE(0.00)[5]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; MX_GOOD(-0.01)[cached: puchar.net]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-0.77)[-0.775,0]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[90.144.1.194.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.10.0]; IP_SCORE(-3.58)[ip: (-9.43), ipnet: 194.1.144.0/24(-4.71), asn: 43476(-3.77), country: PL(0.03)]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:43476, ipnet:194.1.144.0/24, country:PL]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[] X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2019 15:07:11 -0000 >>> A) FreeBSD needs to become a platform that can host current and >>> evolving virtualization technologies. >>> >>> B) FreeBSD should be able to play in the container space similarly to >>> Linux. Unfortunately I believe that this horse has left the barn and it >>> may be too late. Then again maybe there is something we can redeem. >> >> C) Make FreeBSD like others. So why making FreeBSD? > > Because we offer some technologies the others do not. Unfortunately > inferior and incompatible approaches (similarly: VHS vs BETA, Blue Ray > vs HD) have left us on the outside. Try porting Kubernetes to FreeBSD. no need to. > > The technologies used today are more than just fads. They are building > blocks onto which future technologies will be built. > and this is really sad. >> >> Not everyone needs the same. > > Niche. We should be more than simply a desktop O/S (which BTW I use as > my primary desktop) and we should be more than a simple bare metal O/S. Simple bare metal O/S is what is really needed.