From owner-freebsd-chat@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Jan 5 12:33:29 2004 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571C016A4D0; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:33:29 -0800 (PST) Received: from out1.smtp.messagingengine.com (out1.smtp.messagingengine.com [66.111.4.25]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 231DA43D31; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 12:33:28 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from muxhermion@fastmail.fm) Received: from server1.messagingengine.com (server1.internal [10.202.2.132]) by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id F208949F2A9; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:33:25 -0500 (EST) Received: by server1.messagingengine.com (Postfix, from userid 99) id 1388843D72; Mon, 5 Jan 2004 15:33:25 -0500 (EST) Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 1.2 (F2.71; T1.001; A1.51; B2.12; Q2.03) From: "Maxim Hermion" To: "Brett Glass" , "Munden, Randall J" , freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:33:24 -0800 X-Sasl-Enc: neVnGJ3UKZ0pjQJDcsyg2Q 1073334804 References: <79B4EAB03B5E4649A740A8C1452F60643523EE@y6001a.umb.corp.umb.com> <6.0.0.22.2.20040105121215.0465f8a0@localhost> In-Reply-To: <6.0.0.22.2.20040105121215.0465f8a0@localhost> Message-Id: <20040105203325.1388843D72@server1.messagingengine.com> cc: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org Subject: RE: Where is FreeBSD going? X-BeenThere: freebsd-chat@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Non technical items related to the community List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Jan 2004 20:33:29 -0000 On Mon, 05 Jan 2004 12:14:46 -0700, "Brett Glass" said: > I'd like to see a more open and inclusive form of governance for > FreeBSD. The current system of governance has, as its underlying > assumption, that the most prolific coders make the best leaders. > In my personal experience, this isn't a valid assumption. System > administrators and end users have a big stake in FreeBSD, and are > just as likely (perhaps more likely) to be good leaders for the > project. Not going to happen, as long as these guys are in charge. Greg Lehey, the most elitist member of core, is one prime example of this. With all the politics involved, and the little progress made in critical areas like SMP in the last 6 months, I'm happy the DragonFlyBSD is making such fast progress since, by now, it's pretty obvious to most people that RELENG_5 is a dead end, and FreeBSD has lost most of it's appeal. Mux -- http://www.fastmail.fm - Email service worth paying for. Try it for free