From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 30 11:49:13 2011 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4ED16106564A; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:49:13 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de) Received: from outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de [130.133.4.66]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED53B8FC0A; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:49:12 +0000 (UTC) Received: from inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de ([130.133.4.69]) by outpost1.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtp (envelope-from <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>) id <1RgaxT-0002yR-IJ>; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:49:11 +0100 Received: from e178010071.adsl.alicedsl.de ([85.178.10.71] helo=thor.walstatt.dyndns.org) by inpost2.zedat.fu-berlin.de (Exim 4.69) with esmtpsa (envelope-from <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de>) id <1RgaxT-0001N1-D7>; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:49:11 +0100 Message-ID: <4EFDA536.4010101@zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 12:49:10 +0100 From: "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@zedat.fu-berlin.de> User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; FreeBSD amd64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111222 Thunderbird/9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mark Linimon <linimon@lonesome.com> References: <4EF25468.9040204@gmail.com> <CAOjFWZ7+x61QPB-cO5ppWwY-nCRFvs9P76H_SO+CSL41APLwsA@mail.gmail.com> <CADWvR2jVPkLrM686Xhk12U0poV7CCqB3LF_ZbTPTHFKjt+dP=g@mail.gmail.com> <4EF2C613.3020609@digsys.bg> <CADWvR2jQMcOrPEzU5Ug4TRp9hxvD6qOVTZYjqqozarA-+-DsQw@mail.gmail.com> <4EF3D68C.2060803@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20111223074706.1afe4d26@zelda.sugioarto.com> <4EF4474B.3050203@digsys.bg> <20111223114424.GA60815@freebsd.org> <4EF5E9FF.2020300@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20111230090746.GA3992@lonesome.com> In-Reply-To: <20111230090746.GA3992@lonesome.com> X-Enigmail-Version: undefined Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig06372F211F050191E1A075C6" X-Originating-IP: 85.178.10.71 Cc: Alexander Best <arundel@freebsd.org>, "O. Hartmann" <ohartman@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de>, freebsd-current@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current <freebsd-current.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current>, <mailto:freebsd-current-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-current@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-current-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-current>, <mailto:freebsd-current-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 11:49:13 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig06372F211F050191E1A075C6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Am 12/30/11 10:07, schrieb Mark Linimon: > On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 04:04:31PM +0100, O. Hartmann wrote: >> There maybe serious reasons having the Linuxulator, i do not know. But= >> if not, why spending rare developer resources on that? >=20 > This is a classical misunderstanding of the FreeBSD development model. >=20 > There is no "staff" standing around waiting for assignments, as with > a commercial company. When committers join the project, they usually > (almost always) already have a long list of things that they want to > work on. And then they go work on them. >=20 > Neither the core team, nor the FreeBSD Foundation, "direct" the project= > and its course of development. Some of the members of each do post > emails, or stand up in front of conferences, and say "you know, I think= > it would be really neat if someone did xyz." Sometimes this leads to > results, sometimes not. >=20 > As for the companies that have their own FreeBSD-derived products, > often their goals are tightly focused, e.g. "improve the number of > packets we can pass" or "support our specialized hardware". Some, > but not all, of the resultant work makes it back into FreeBSD. We > get to say "it would be really neat if ..."; and, in addition, point > to possible future minimization of merging and duplication of effort > as a way to save costs long-term. >=20 > But with these exceptions, development is primarily driven from the > bottom-up (individual committers find something they are interested in > working on, and then go work on it), and not the top-down as in "real" > companies. This is the way the overwhelming majority (90+%?) of the > work on FreeBSD gets done. >=20 > So, there's no one "assigned" the tasks of closing PRs, nor working on > coordinating code with the other BSDs, nor working on the Linuxolator, > nor even supporting high-performance computing. >=20 > It's a cooperative anarchy, not a hierarchy. >=20 > mcl By no maen is this what I said or intended to say. oliver --------------enig06372F211F050191E1A075C6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.11 (FreeBSD) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJO/aU2AAoJEOgBcD7A/5N8WMYIAM/NQj1jolKrUBvNlQqLiWIn FCbkP3OoEZxEZ0h+g3Rvnw2HueHiH5NFPUGj5Aegel4RvhQzSefn8bWkX2xFUO6O bEQ21Zom0hjM2/FmJHAple8mbitb2Ev4pCSltaqYBImrXZPD7c90c34F6IH99SVa rjpFfd4vCAnZi7CFVbb0J7FfU6iKddNMxNzJDAlXLHn9R0loEsy8coID97Vd0f28 GDlJDYK1Rv0GOEfkGONgw3YrmlU5hL1kk7BPwei1hhWw1Jk65TF83EEcG63XvTJi AcmWE5GgHfJWCMPkEQjKkKgIaRF0kKenO0iIHwzsWFEvhV6FLKtOtIO7pAKdP+o= =bJIq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig06372F211F050191E1A075C6--