From owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Dec 1 22:34:09 2007 Return-Path: <owner-freebsd-ports@FreeBSD.ORG> Delivered-To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C156D16A419 for <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: from dns1.vizion2000.net (77-99-36-42.cable.ubr04.chap.blueyonder.co.uk [77.99.36.42]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71C1713C46A for <freebsd-ports@freebsd.org>; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 22:34:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from david@vizion2000.net) Received: by dns1.vizion2000.net (Postfix, from userid 1007) id 1F19F1CC46; Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: David Southwell <david@vizion2000.net> Organization: Voice and Vision To: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2007 14:50:58 -0800 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.7 References: <33640.194.74.82.3.1196149681.squirrel@galain.elvandar.org> <200712011149.11212.david@vizion2000.net> <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> In-Reply-To: <20071201134519.S16007@cauchy.math.missouri.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200712011450.58878.david@vizion2000.net> Subject: Re: duration of the ports freeze X-BeenThere: freebsd-ports@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Porting software to FreeBSD <freebsd-ports.freebsd.org> List-Unsubscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports>, <mailto:freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-ports> List-Post: <mailto:freebsd-ports@freebsd.org> List-Help: <mailto:freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports>, <mailto:freebsd-ports-request@freebsd.org?subject=subscribe> X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2007 22:34:09 -0000 On Saturday 01 December 2007 11:54:40 Stephen Montgomery-Smith wrote: > On Sat, 1 Dec 2007, David Southwell wrote: > > On Saturday 01 December 2007 10:28:40 Erik Trulsson wrote: > >> Personally, as a user, I have never really been even slightly > >> inconvienced by any of the ports tree freezes. > > > > All I can say is bully for you! The question is how do we get rid of a > > p[roblem even if it is not a disadvantage for you personally. It is > > disappointing when one hears arguments not to change simply because one > > particular individual is not disadvantaged by a currently illogical and > > antiquated solution to a problem that will inevitably grow as the number > > of ports increase. > > > > We need to grasp the nettle while we may!! > > I think that you and Aryeh are not getting that it is not just "bully for > you." There is a major effort required to change the way we do ports. > Even if the current system has some imperfections, you have to persuade > the FreeBSD community that the benfits of fixing things are greater than > the costs. > > My personal assessment is that now is NOT the time to grap the nettle. > Over time the ports system will acquire more and more problems, until > perhaps in ten or twenty years time it will be unusable. Then it will be > time to fix it, when we have a clearer picture of what all the problems > really are. Or maybe by then things will have happened that make this > whole issue moot. I just don't think it is worth the effort to fix this > problem now, especially when the benefits will only be to a few power > users. Just who does not get it!! This reminds me of the presidential "there is no such thing as global warming" response to climate change debate. Wait for twenty years until events force us to fix it and then we will do something. > > Look, its good that you feel the freedom to complain, and advocate for > change. But don't get upset when others say they like the status > quo. They need to have freedom to say their piece too. The issue is about responsibility. Clearly the price of status quo is at minimum inconvenience for many and at worst unacceptable interference for an undefined number. What is wrong with trying to fix it now? Those who advocate change are not trying to get a fix it to make life worse for anyone. There is nothing wrong with change!! > > Stephen > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-ports@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-ports > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-ports-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"