From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Mon Aug 5 05:11:29 2019 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C915BB9D49 for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:11:29 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from mout.kundenserver.de (mout.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.131]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "mout.kundenserver.de", Issuer "TeleSec ServerPass Class 2 CA" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4625TX4F8Dz4Dtx for ; Mon, 5 Aug 2019 05:11:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@edvax.de) Received: from r56.edvax.de ([178.8.39.63]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue012 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPA (Nemesis) id 1MVrXh-1hkMuL0bif-00Ro81; Mon, 05 Aug 2019 07:11:20 +0200 Date: Mon, 5 Aug 2019 07:11:20 +0200 From: Polytropon To: Ralf Mardorf Cc: Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions Subject: Re: thunderbird in German? Message-Id: <20190805071120.c258204a.freebsd@edvax.de> In-Reply-To: <20190804093710.66948e68@archlinux> References: <87o91bw4mx.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190731012754.3783a859.freebsd@edvax.de> <878ssc5v3x.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802060356.eebda021.freebsd@edvax.de> <87tvaz8gkn.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190802213025.884985d57dbfd7bf20ae4cd5@sohara.org> <87lfw9bxeb.fsf@toy.adminart.net> <20190804093710.66948e68@archlinux> Reply-To: Polytropon Organization: EDVAX X-Mailer: Sylpheed 3.1.1 (GTK+ 2.24.5; i386-portbld-freebsd8.2) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:yxPJ1NrlGXmrfHizD2sNWTwhX8bB7kir0gWHGsRQnV1qK75K2Qc MUedRQ9PelpoGcC9zgLekQB7TFG55FmT08h3LTd8yrajJAVwfIjsRL4iTeowpJ9SpP7DXWa XSdOaRj9REEZmi7gLHd97rik3Vs59aBhy+E3yI/gZnNSjRPdsYzEriON8e3gfT7wjBhHHQn tGRyBpPdmDAdYdanXJ0LA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:8ccCW6JijMU=:3lGV+Tzs2+4SYfGiYF8RiQ EaOilssRUWDeHAchgrkqfKqmTZiRGWkeuER0M7WdZpvfH4FFQ12ns45qAuUROPKDM6MbNOOiD OJjctCTYBuj9O3f1T/yiyZEN8byU9CoAT9f3wmzS7p/nXAYP2HgskGyKZZvxEbcwE1D41ncWf ypp8uuY6gm3DrgQRw6jZZln/Cmhxf53qtUmCvqVIQ5Lf84BIDRjmUcIOoDjkwrCjpS/lbxyGS QHo2OFAbQcb/kOyPEeY+qCNk7gZwwgGcLrtdapBY9D0XnMavsRNZ4oUd0cF7OWEAVqzSbvqd7 R0pameMGTXgOHVkZ9hbgzLXGWYgGMYdSzzueggT/gRozwa2sNwKLb173E15ytPccqBfBiyEwU Tn1cOVFPl4DSRSeSgOUifP26BKsBNMY8sELD/IcLtOVUUzENaDOENj5Ii9I1kEszMz88ECCj8 9c5MAxTWzV3Bgw/nhH8HTyHTz/uEm24Ut8EzWM4zPaf+Xhx3ZficVmQzD10Livcq1yetbSUql d3yE7L/nnHqnYHxPJf7E5bPRNGHF5fSIoSoBmn11CIYZi6wRULOpqW1DuS2xN0z+JV55sRALw irALNcswa4DWH97eSzlNm3EjoD8OGxRCLeLXyI8HhDjpX1BwdQzCNM2ngqTJoGvg2IWxwdnVy qO5Jk3twvI+JrejR2MUS1bg/A1CIvhCiLpmQP56HN9Y98CfazwHee9HW4muMU4mA9XRobq9jC P+LDEatF7JQ90DE7vI9vit4M0WOUhtyDlORYFVjVPdvJpPOTwyWxahynfow= X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4625TX4F8Dz4Dtx X-Spamd-Bar: +++++ Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=none (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of freebsd@edvax.de has no SPF policy when checking 212.227.126.131) smtp.mailfrom=freebsd@edvax.de X-Spamd-Result: default: False [5.87 / 15.00]; RCVD_VIA_SMTP_AUTH(0.00)[]; HAS_REPLYTO(0.00)[freebsd@edvax.de]; MV_CASE(0.50)[]; HAS_ORG_HEADER(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; FREEMAIL_TO(0.00)[rocketmail.com]; RECEIVED_SPAMHAUS_PBL(0.00)[63.39.8.178.khpj7ygk5idzvmvt5x4ziurxhy.zen.dq.spamhaus.net : 127.0.0.11]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; ASN(0.00)[asn:8560, ipnet:212.227.0.0/16, country:DE]; SUBJECT_ENDS_QUESTION(1.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; REPLYTO_EQ_FROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.97)[0.974,0]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; RCVD_TLS_LAST(0.00)[]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[edvax.de]; AUTH_NA(1.00)[]; NEURAL_SPAM_MEDIUM(0.95)[0.948,0]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; MID_CONTAINS_FROM(1.00)[]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[131.126.227.212.list.dnswl.org : 127.0.5.0]; R_SPF_NA(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; IP_SCORE(0.55)[ip: (1.90), ipnet: 212.227.0.0/16(-1.44), asn: 8560(2.30), country: DE(-0.01)] X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2019 05:11:29 -0000 On Sun, 4 Aug 2019 09:37:10 +0200, Ralf Mardorf via freebsd-questions wrote: > On Sun, 04 Aug 2019 02:13:32 +0200, hw wrote: > >Steve O'Hara-Smith writes: > >> On Fri, 02 Aug 2019 22:20:40 +0200 hw wrote: > >> > >>> I'll still try Sylpheed ... It's been around for a while now, and > >>> I'm curious. > >> > >> I've been happy with it for many years now. > > > >Well, it seemed pretty good, and I intend to use it instead of > >Thunderbird or seamonkey. I'm not sure if it would be wise to make the > >users switch over as well, though. But then, it might just be wise > >because sylpheed might cause less trouble in the long run. > > Hi, > > that's a naive miscalculation. I dislike Mozilla projects for several > reasons, but what makes you think that Sylpheed might cause less trouble > in the long run? It might not cause trouble on FreeBSD yet, but it will > in the short run, since on Linux it already does, as all GTK apps and > especially GTK2 apps do. That is an important thought! As Gtk2 probably will EOL just like Gtk (1) did, newer toolkit versions _might_ tie much stronger into Linux infrastructures than the current version does, and porting them to FreeBSD might cause trouble because of missing kernel interfaces or library functions. > Some projects have got > a GTK2 and GTK3 port and you get rid of this issue, when compiling > against GTK3. I don't know if Sylpheed has got a GTK3 port, but Claws > has got, unfortunately it's "experimental", IOW broken in many ways. > You also might have noticed that some Linux projects migrated from GTK > to Qt. Let's see how Qt development is on FreeBSD... > Btw. way closer to Thunderbird features is Evolution. Claws and > Sylpheed are lightweight, but might miss features one or the other user > might need. That's why it's important to evaluate beforehand which features are needed by the users. Lightweight doesn't always mean usable _in a specific setting_, but it _could_ be, depending on the features needed. And you're right that Evolution is hardly "lightweight", but more like Thunderbird in terms of provided features. > Actually I migrated from Mozilla MUAs to Evolution years ago. I tested > Kmail, but experienced way to many issues. Can confirm. :-) -- Polytropon Magdeburg, Germany Happy FreeBSD user since 4.0 Andra moi ennepe, Mousa, ...