Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 11:48:49 -0700 From: Donald Wilde <dwilde1@gmail.com> To: Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> Cc: Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu>, FreeBSD Mailing List <freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Minimal skills Message-ID: <CAEC73915Obkz2aNme3LZu6%2BJF3FLQER813-8%2BLFg9PKMMet3Lg@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <CAGBxaXmVAMv12B09XbCGPw6=NBXiyzKOz2w9j1tut-x9t8NEQg@mail.gmail.com> References: <mailman.5421.1591424554.4503.freebsd-questions@freebsd.org> <a7f9a8b5-29b1-c083-e82d-92192c2f3c9e@defert.com> <CAGBxaX=B3ieSMnFyQ__NyQ=OVoz53c06RVsa-jap6GR6r0Y7Ew@mail.gmail.com> <C49F5FB7-37F5-4A49-ADA2-16490089CFDC@kicp.uchicago.edu> <CAGBxaXmVAMv12B09XbCGPw6=NBXiyzKOz2w9j1tut-x9t8NEQg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/7/20, Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 1:46 PM Valeri Galtsev <galtsev@kicp.uchicago.edu> > wrote: > >> >> >> > On Jun 6, 2020, at 8:17 PM, Aryeh Friedman <aryeh.friedman@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> > >> > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 5:06 AM Vincent DEFERT <20.100@defert.com> >> > wrote: >> > >> >> My advice: NEVER, ever, learn Java, for if you do, you'll never want >> >> to >> >> use another language and that could be a handicap in a new developer's >> >> career. >> >> >> > >> > I switched 10 years ago to Java after 15 years of C/C++ (and an odd >> > assortment of other languages) and certainly agree with the idea of not >> > wanting to use another language. Think of Java as the family SUV, >> > not >> > particularly fast and nimble when you need high performance or very low >> > level work but what is it good for nothing is better (rock solid code >> that >> > doesn't require the above). That being said you should learn it but >> learn >> > it with other languages. >> > >> >> To the OP: >> >> As someone already said in this thread: Java is proprietary, and Oracle >> who bought out Sun Microsystems (the creator of Java) started charging >> money end users of applications written in Java. >> >> > Where on Earth did you get the idea that Oracle charges/gets royalties for > 3rd application in Java!?!?!??!?!? I have *NEVER* paid a dime for any > application and/or anything else written in Java (nor is there any language > in the legal material that comes with the language and/or any of the tools > that would even allow for a royalty)... the language spec is completely > open and anyone can write a compiler or a JVM (all the specs are completely > available)..... IBM has made one so have a few other people including GNU. > You can use java 8 for your own purposes but Oracle's license agreement on their website clearly states that only up until Java 7 is it truly free. :-( This change occurred several years ago now. I don't have time to get the citation to support Valeri's assertion, but it is true. -- Don Wilde **************************************************** * What is the Internet of Things but a system * * of systems including humans? * ****************************************************
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