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Date:      Thu, 13 Nov 1997 13:04:09 -0800 (PST)
From:      Simon Shapiro <Shimon@i-connect.net>
To:        Archie Cobbs <archie@whistle.com>
Cc:        freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG, (Alfred Perlstein) <perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu>
Subject:   Re: unkillable process
Message-ID:  <XFMail.971113130409.Shimon@i-Connect.Net>
In-Reply-To: <199711132000.MAA26869@bubba.whistle.com>

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Hi Archie Cobbs;  On 13-Nov-97 you wrote: 
>  
>  Alfred Perlstein writes:
> > From what i understand the process 'cat' is not broken, the shell
> > excuting
> > the command will terminate if issued a 'kill -9'
>  
>  Not on my machine... kill -9 does nothing (see original email).

Yup.  This is how it is written.  Why it is written this way, I dunno.
I cannot come up with a good reason.

>  
>  -Archie
>  
> > ._______________________________________________________________________
> > _ __ _
> > |Alfred Perlstein - Programming & SysAdmin --"Have you seen my FreeBSD
> > |tatoo?"
> > |perlsta@sunyit.edu                        --"who was that masked
> > |admin?"
> > |http://www.cs.sunyit.edu/~perlsta
> > :
> > '
> > 
> > On Thu, 13 Nov 1997, Archie Cobbs wrote:
> > 
> > > Simon Shapiro writes:
> > > > Hi Archie Cobbs;  On 12-Nov-97 you wrote: 
> > > > >  Try the following experiment (on 2.2 and mabye 3.0):
> > > > >  
> > > > >  1. Create a named pipe
> > > > >  2. Start typing into it using cat
> > > > >  3. Hit control-C as many times as you want
> > > > >  
> > > > >  You'll see that the process will not die even with kill -9,
> > > > >  as it is stuck in uninterrupible disk sleep ("fifo").
> > > > >  
> > > > >  But as soon as you read from the other end of the pipe,
> > > > >  the process exits.
> > > > >  
> > > > >  Is there a missing PCATCH flag to tsleep() somewhere?
> > > > >  Is this appropriate behavior? (hint: rhetorical question)
> > > > 
> > > > From what I remember, this is a typical (if ugly Unix behavior.
> > > 
> > > Hmm... does anyone else besides me have the opinion that,
> > > while it may be typical, this behavior is also *broken*?
> > > 
> > > Still Curious,
> > > -Archie
> > > 
> > > ______________________________________________________________________
> > > _____
> > > Archie Cobbs   *   Whistle Communications, Inc.  *  
> > > http://www.whistle.com
> > > 
> > 
> > 
>  
>  _________________________________________________________________________
>  __
>  Archie Cobbs   *   Whistle Communications, Inc.  *  
>  http://www.whistle.com

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