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To: Nate Williams <nate@trout.sri.MT.net>
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Subject: Re: MBONE interfaces and snazzy install tools. 
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From: Amancio Hasty <hasty@star-gate.com>
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 > > Again, something like an installation tool will be trivial to implement in
 > > tcl/tk which will work for X and curses.
 > 
 > Or TkPerl. :-)

Sorry but the last time  I check TkPerl it was well to say it kindly not ready 
for prime time.

 > > If it helps, SCO has standardized on using all the sys admin tools 
 > > around tcl/tk.
 > 
 > Not unless you have the sources to the tools and can re-distribute them.
 > :-)

That was not the point . I merely wanted to say that at least a major 
company has adopted tcl/tk for the kind of stuff we want to do.

 > We need to standardize on *one* scripting language, and jumping from one
 > ship to the next as it becomes popular does not help us.

First of all I did not participate on including perl into the system.
And, I was one of the first programmers to port tcl/tk back 
in the days of 386bsd so to say that I like today tcl/tk because is
fashionable is not too cool but crude.

Now lets talk about fashionably about the problems of providing
a decent object oriented paradigm.

Sadly, the language that we  need is not perl, tcl/tk, nor scheme.
Two decent recent languages that come to mind are :

Java :

http://webrunner.neato.org
	HotJava is a new webserver written in Java.

newton script

Both of them  have a C type syntax and provide a reasonable object 
oriented paradigm.

In the case of newton script is already a product and being used out
in the field by users. And Yes, there is no port of it for Unix
that I know however I don't consider this a bit obstacle.

 > IMHO, Perl is much more readable than tcl/tk.  It has a much nicer

$Sorry $I $hate $Pearl...


 > ,and since we don't have tcl/tk
 > in the system and no reasons to bring them 'right now', then I think

Very lame excuse if you ask me specially if pearl is not up to the job.


Amancio