From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Jun 14 07:08:56 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E36B9330D73 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:08:56 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: from mail-il1-x135.google.com (mail-il1-x135.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 (128/128 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (4096 bits) server-digest SHA256 client-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) client-digest SHA256) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "GTS CA 1O1" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 49l5D76gYWz42Yt for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:08:55 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from aryeh.friedman@gmail.com) Received: by mail-il1-x135.google.com with SMTP id l6so12527465ilo.2 for ; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:08:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=Xn8iRX5AWYDqYvNjgdQi3zdMm4FFwoz/t+ntewQkcus=; b=hey1ZbRHMbj/SMVWShS/3Wj+OYUEjlqy3GhCawcINxvF7fGzhoUB06iLkxx+bClMar z/LEWVdQFrikL2vY7LzRTuOAVvq6mgrxSrIlUzlP3sCIwupMJHtqbQICfUKGv6c5wgfA HQYXRTZn1rUbIEhqjYfbfN2BZ1R/es9TUzwyJ8nIb3IN3GA93aJMLs2A8sZYDohm2Yio xyVgGnFya2rvAWUNqFtVHZg5LqhGtJxu/NP7+yWyaMGQ7JPPwdXwvI6zD8J3u57IzbI8 TRlgd2anJzqO5pIhx4OYLzUbAD+mxHrvmmFz+KVnmLnQ38MOLvqN5P39dugtM6ch/9AQ qdhQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Xn8iRX5AWYDqYvNjgdQi3zdMm4FFwoz/t+ntewQkcus=; b=hH+eXt3g0Y5QkbpFGEbPlpmiNk2z1gI2UwfFmmyqDWCYd69h8QbXBz49YLiMuIqORp TFQ4nemd2/n9msdEMhtnkmcWxySqltr8alRw1aE3vbj1SQUP8bNmsuJ/676rJ14l7QoS Vrn5YN8W8S3PXcVyeaseBGxQIc4kGJAo15h+LO8rF6N/NEzg4yHX+oGOHODRv2RmIm+B JksW8RFzdTnHKYMNGSYKFXGfmP101W0+gmZ4+51FjRW+i321cp0AKhgUZMUIYqf1WXcb GX3Nz845sToW3qtYff0x1Eajjh9tvR7ckYajc7Q1afQfmH2k/AAUfl0pSPJpL7uLfiWm 8dDQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531aecCicLIpGGDVYZTLo0Yj+rO5C1RASGdFGAGS4JHk5SEvGgJj ZqdO/Nj4DTMJWWuGob7W95nLpkqsPyTUxZ99Ybk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwbOAvj7WUQwUHzmvhpwLhpKgFx9j49VUQTrGP4v5R44WzakLWz1RYjIYNBWRoBjRBgzNBAoW4k7az0XuJ5ctg= X-Received: by 2002:a92:5e4a:: with SMTP id s71mr20619678ilb.119.1592118534473; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 00:08:54 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <00225a04-237d-9051-9aea-12c192106a20@anatoli.ws> <373EDB20-C750-42E2-A41B-EA61F6E49807@kicp.uchicago.edu> <20200609120136.00005b3c@seibercom.net> <2393a1e0-b073-950a-78be-9f57d8e9934b@anatoli.ws> <20200610063555.00003707@seibercom.net> <82F57D0D-E0EC-49F7-824E-20A296C9F549@kicp.uchicago.edu> <250b853a-b436-0e99-b05c-9abd6b6019ef@panix.com> <7018FA7A-32A6-4567-AA5D-1A90FF5FFF6C@kreme.com> <20200613154409.GA89618@neutralgood.org> <082AF774-7886-4E56-8482-768A7FE6E5EF@kreme.com> In-Reply-To: <082AF774-7886-4E56-8482-768A7FE6E5EF@kreme.com> From: Aryeh Friedman Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 03:08:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: Mailing List Etiquette was freebsd vs. netbsd To: "@lbutlr" Cc: FreeBSD X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 49l5D76gYWz42Yt X-Spamd-Bar: ---- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=pass header.d=gmail.com header.s=20161025 header.b=hey1ZbRH; dmarc=pass (policy=none) header.from=gmail.com; spf=pass (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of aryehfriedman@gmail.com designates 2607:f8b0:4864:20::135 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=aryehfriedman@gmail.com X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-4.15 / 15.00]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-1.01)[-1.014]; R_DKIM_ALLOW(-0.20)[gmail.com:s=20161025]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; DWL_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[gmail.com:dkim]; R_SPF_ALLOW(-0.20)[+ip6:2607:f8b0:4000::/36:c]; FREEMAIL_FROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[multipart/alternative,text/plain]; PREVIOUSLY_DELIVERED(0.00)[freebsd-questions@freebsd.org]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.993]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; TO_DN_ALL(0.00)[]; DKIM_TRACE(0.00)[gmail.com:+]; RCPT_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2]; RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE(0.00)[2607:f8b0:4864:20::135:from]; NEURAL_HAM_SHORT(-1.14)[-1.141]; DMARC_POLICY_ALLOW(-0.50)[gmail.com,none]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+,1:+,2:~]; FREEMAIL_ENVFROM(0.00)[gmail.com]; ASN(0.00)[asn:15169, ipnet:2607:f8b0::/32, country:US]; TAGGED_FROM(0.00)[]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; RCVD_COUNT_TWO(0.00)[2] Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.33 X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:08:57 -0000 On Sun, Jun 14, 2020 at 1:38 AM @lbutlr wrote: > On 13 Jun 2020, at 09:44, Kevin P. Neal wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 10, 2020 at 11:09:43PM -0600, @lbutlr wrote: > >> On 10 Jun 2020, at 11:54, doug wrote: > >>> See > https://www.freebsd.org/doc/en/articles/mailing-list-faq/etiquette.html#i= dp44832888 > > >> Seems very out of date too me. For example the first thing it says is > to wrap messages at 75 characters because not everyone uses GUI mailers. > This may have been relevant in 1995, but it sure isn=E2=80=99t now. CLI M= UA=E2=80=99s > handle long lines just fine. > > > If you had wrapped at 75 characters then the quoting would be much > easier to read. > > Then your MUA is very poor at its job. > Any MUA that arbitrarily reformats text is too smart for its own good and fundamentally broken in a critical way. When sending code snippets it is *CRITICAL* that white space not be modified in any way. Some languages (like Python) will even not work or produce buggy code if your indents (white spaces) are wrong. Note I consider Python too smart for its own good for this reason but it makes it even more important the MUA *NOT* mess with the message in *ANYWAY*. > > > > -- > May you live in interesting times > > > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-questions@freebsd.org mailing list > https://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-questions > To unsubscribe, send any mail to " > freebsd-questions-unsubscribe@freebsd.org" > --=20 Aryeh M. Friedman, Lead Developer, http://www.PetiteCloud.org