From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jul 7 19:43:01 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB176106564A for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:43:01 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhellenthal@dataix.net) Received: from mail-ob0-f182.google.com (mail-ob0-f182.google.com [209.85.214.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66D348FC08 for ; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 19:43:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbun3 with SMTP id un3so21390802obb.13 for ; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:43:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=dataix.net; s=rsa; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to; bh=6rZkofvpLUc+JbgvE8uKXtR4POM8qvk4lKIBTtB0BrQ=; b=PaoUGdOPlfxUAOxDM82ZlKirmylylpyWNkDGNj1c2uiB4gwzyQ2rMfuBRgAUDIIMKx fPiaC+KV3GZiDDi/RltTbO8DQMvnc8DaSXzY1Wi2m1F/k8mcozqhC6nDNSueyXF4/jUw lTsru7MRpQlIaMwUWrrAQ445o2t6tOH8IhvAQ= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:cc:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:x-gm-message-state; bh=6rZkofvpLUc+JbgvE8uKXtR4POM8qvk4lKIBTtB0BrQ=; b=d65J5LyAoC9GA6LgQA4qbhaL4AUv07pCueXn0YgmRphRPUib6pzNnFKILcAeNjJcFP /pp2ediZWuAJtLg1B9oIcV/oKb7RuG/R2vU3IxzEm2zd8rk+aFS8uGR2/BMciyLoywUa Hhegljp+ISag3rJPr/G3SETFuGsZNF5poxrGbP2vJXXMj27TFsHYfR81ZDc0Pxwjvjkb Z3aC6Opb32uMn+KvsdcrwIHIOdwMZAWWVvqQiw7lofz6Xkx6Gvc/lm4r8CQZj21Vp9vy 983UM/QB75PL27Jjm+BUKzx3Pr/gHdgv8qw+exZwmImOoB/FMvOI8fSspoAONxQvCn57 71PQ== Received: by 10.50.196.232 with SMTP id ip8mr5135689igc.50.1341690180756; Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (adsl-99-109-126-183.dsl.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net. [99.109.126.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id bp8sm11483530igb.12.2012.07.07.12.42.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 07 Jul 2012 12:43:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DataIX.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q67IF6jd067553 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:15:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Received: (from jh@localhost) by DataIX.net (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) id q67IE6aA066675; Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:14:06 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from jhellenthal@DataIX.net) Date: Sat, 7 Jul 2012 14:14:06 -0400 From: Jason Hellenthal To: Pawel Jakub Dawidek Message-ID: <20120707181406.GA53151@DataIX.net> References: <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <201207051215.44799.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120706201721.GB1437@garage.freebsd.pl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20120706201721.GB1437@garage.freebsd.pl> X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmBiUW9H1J1g11uphiqg8AWXbhUt2o9u1TEMiBCQbmoAwRdA5VjVGxBNaCb+2xIWVMALmQ3 Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org, Jonathan McKeown Subject: Re: Training wheels for commandline (was Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze?) X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 19:43:01 -0000 --xHFwDpU9dbj6ez1V Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 06, 2012 at 10:17:22PM +0200, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: > On Thu, Jul 05, 2012 at 12:15:44PM +0200, Jonathan McKeown wrote: > > On Thursday 05 July 2012 11:03:32 Doug Barton wrote: > > > If the new feature gets created, and you don't want to use it, turn it > > > off. No problem. > >=20 > > No. I think this is entirely the wrong way round. If the new feature is= =20 > > created and you want it, turn it on. Don't make me turn off something I= =20 > > didn't want in the first place. [...] >=20 > This feature is targeted at new users, for whom it is harder to turn on > something they probably don't even know about, than to skilled users to > turn it off. >=20 > If this feature is going to prints quite a few extra lines, let's just > add one more line saying: >=20 > To disable this message run: echo set 31337mode >> ~/.tcshrc >=20 LD_PRELOAD=3D ... would be more extensible as a library could react to a larger set of already built binaries without modification of the upstream code. 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