From owner-freebsd-stable Fri Apr 26 5:44:59 2002 Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mail.webmonster.de (datasink.webmonster.de [194.162.162.209]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 39FE937B41B for ; Fri, 26 Apr 2002 05:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 36094 invoked by uid 1000); 26 Apr 2002 12:44:03 -0000 Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2002 14:44:03 +0200 From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" To: "Bruce A. Mah" Cc: Doug Barton , JJ Behrens , freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Release notes (was Re: *** HEAD'S UP ***) Message-ID: <20020426144403.D35038@mail.webmonster.de> References: <20020422114407.B21612@alicia.nttmcl.com> <20020423215717.S66402-100000@master.gorean.org> <20020424125400.F87244@mail.webmonster.de> <200204241304.g3OD4slv062649@intruder.bmah.org> <20020425152543.A13500@mail.webmonster.de> <200204251544.g3PFipCV075997@intruder.bmah.org> <200204251554.g3PFseCS076137@intruder.bmah.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="YToU2i3Vx8H2dn7O" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200204251554.g3PFseCS076137@intruder.bmah.org>; from bmah@FreeBSD.ORG on Thu, Apr 25, 2002 at 08:54:40AM -0700 X-Arbitrary-Number-Of-The-Day: 42 X-URL: http://www.webmonster.de/ X-Disclaimer: My opinions do not necessarily represent those of my employer X-Work-URL: http://www.ngenn.net/ X-Work-Address: nGENn GmbH, Schloss Kransberg, D-61250 Usingen-Kransberg, Germany X-Work-Phone: +49-6081-682-304 Sender: owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk List-ID: List-Archive: (Web Archive) List-Help: (List Instructions) List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG --YToU2i3Vx8H2dn7O Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Bruce A. Mah(bmah@FreeBSD.ORG)@2002.04.25 08:54:40 +0000: > I wrote: >=20 > > > you know how to make the docs, i know how to generate them, but does a > > > newbie who just got the cd set and upgrades the system know it?=3D20 > >=20 > > Man, this is the *easy* case! Every CDROM, for as long as I can > > remember, has had the release notes (in text) in the *top level > > directory*. Since 4.4-RELEASE, we started putting HTML as well. > > snapshots.jp.freebsd.org adds PDF for their snapshot ISOs. You can even > > read these from sysinstall's documentation menu. In addition, the > > announcement for every release, as well as the main Web site, has a > > pointer to the on-line version of the release notes. >=20 > I just realized that you may have meant something different. Like, how sorry for not being clear enough. next time i'll double check before hitting 'send'. > does a newbie figure out how to read the *new* release notes for a > system they are upgrading from source...not read the ones that came with > their distribution? exactly. > He/she can either read it on the Web (as presented many times before), > or look in src/release/doc/README if he/she wants to build the release > documentation from scratch. I'm receptive to concrete suggestions for > this file. a pointer to your relnotes page should be contained in /usr/src/README. > I'd also claim that someone doing source upgrades to a FreeBSD system=20 > isn't a "newbie", or they *shouldn't* be. :-) the problem is, that people MUST fix their systems somehow. due to freebsd's nature of being easily upgraded from source, and the non-availability of RELENG isos, as stated in other threads on -stable and -security, using cvsup is their only choice. _there is not a single other option for them_, and that's the main problem here where i see an improvement to make freebsd more popular, especially for folks who just "give it a spin" to decide if they want to use it instead of=20 [arbitrary unix flavor goes here]. regards, /k --=20 > Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent > revolution inevitable. KR433/KR11-RIPE -- WebMonster Community Founder -- nGENn GmbH Senior Techie http://www.webmonster.de/ -- ftp://ftp.webmonster.de/ -- http://www.ngenn.n= et/ GnuPG: 0xDEC948A6 D/E BF11 83E8 84A1 F996 68B4 A113 B393 6BF4 DEC9 48A6 REVOKED: 0x2964BF46 D/E 42F9 9FFF 50D4 2F38 DBEE DF22 3340 4F4E 2964 BF46 REVOKED: 0x4C44DA59 RSA F9 A0 DF 91 74 07 6A 1C 5F 0B E0 6B 4D CD 8C 44 My mail is GnuPG signed -- Unsigned ones are bogus -- http://www.gnupg.org/ Please do not remove my address from To: and Cc: fields in mailing lists. 1= 0x --YToU2i3Vx8H2dn7O Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8yUuTs5Nr9N7JSKYRAucwAJ9YiZ/T/PFQnsz/umzQQYHVUEyj6ACfQnZc Z2fbrhnOXXCcEYPQvBj/bi8= =mg5+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YToU2i3Vx8H2dn7O-- To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-stable" in the body of the message