Date: Tue, 20 Dec 2011 21:30:10 -0800 From: Garrett Cooper <yanegomi@gmail.com> To: Steve Kargl <sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> Cc: svn-src-head@freebsd.org, svn-src-all@freebsd.org, Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>, src-committers@freebsd.org, Ben Kaduk <minimarmot@gmail.com> Subject: Re: svn commit: r228143 - in head: . share/mk tools/build/options Message-ID: <CAGH67wSO11M_=yZRk-kUNgTxiKrHDG24K6kMM22529kDyWFNUw@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20111221045537.GA99900@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> References: <201111291946.pATJkHMs064094@svn.freebsd.org> <20111220171740.X1005@besplex.bde.org> <8CCE4DDE-B203-42FF-A2FA-9106403DE077@FreeBSD.org> <201112200908.57306.jhb@freebsd.org> <4EF13F23.9060601@FreeBSD.org> <CAK2BMK6nkipbapNMu2_sQ8PNYW1PsT78%2BsjpwM2uCOTQ2%2Bu8mw@mail.gmail.com> <4EF14833.1090601@FreeBSD.org> <20111221045537.GA99900@troutmask.apl.washington.edu>
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Steve Kargl
<sgk@troutmask.apl.washington.edu> wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 06:45:07PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote:
>> On 12/20/2011 18:29, Ben Kaduk wrote:
>> > 2011/12/20 Doug Barton <dougb@freebsd.org>:
>> >> On 12/20/2011 06:08, John Baldwin wrote:
>> >>> The defaults for src.conf should be for the common case
>> >>
>> >> Agreed. The problem we seem to be missing here is that developers are
>> >> not even statistically significant in measuring "the common case."
>> >
>> > "The common case" of what, though? =A0"People using src.conf", or
>> > "people rebuilding world", or just "people using FreeBSD"?
>>
>> The latter of course. The overwhelming majority of FreeBSD users will
>> never use profiled libs, and in fact don't even know what they are. It's
>> just useless space being taken up on every install. The defaults should
>> be sensible for our users.
>
> OK, Doug, we get it! You don't like profiled libraries.
> You don't use them, and by extension the 'common user'
> does not use them.
The point that I was trying to drive home (that I think Doug is as well=
) is:
- How many FreeBSD users are developers/performance/test engineers who
care about this stuff being compiled into the base system?
- How many developers use gprof / profiled libraries?
- How many developers reroll their world by turning on WITH_PROFILE ?
- How often do you use gprof to profile binaries?
Smart defaults and better tuning are what we ultimately should be
striving for, because again, WITH_PROFILE is a developer and not a
end-user / administrator convenience. Those are the individuals we
should be tailoring FreeBSD for -- not developers.
Thanks,
-Garrett
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