From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Dec 30 13:00:46 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA211065670; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:00:46 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from utisoft@gmail.com) Received: from mail-iy0-f182.google.com (mail-iy0-f182.google.com [209.85.210.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 695AE8FC13; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:00:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iadj38 with SMTP id j38so32027808iad.13 for ; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:00:42 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=0MbvcyFA/f147B/kHGo2/BAPi+i0zkXzPLSL7QEsM3Y=; b=A+X8QZhyG860yFpWZejNAwqGcawr//1A4oNQtrRvL49tSrYuuyynTQbTbSP6d8lcpH +W47ZHJVcdyZ44zNqD57XnX/tHYumu/Pq9GK3EKgu7i+zuHCGgWF7hXYFjYdlqxgxcFz zFPYqDLo2TPFJa8+0vdHnxTR4e3RO8RLyf2jU= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.153.135 with SMTP id vg7mr46231063igb.12.1325250041965; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:00:41 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.7 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:00:39 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.231.207.7 with HTTP; Fri, 30 Dec 2011 05:00:39 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <4EF45C85.9010709@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> References: <4EF25468.9040204@gmail.com> <4EF2C613.3020609@digsys.bg> <4EF3D68C.2060803@zedat.fu-berlin.de> <20111223074706.1afe4d26@zelda.sugioarto.com> <4EF45C85.9010709@mail.zedat.fu-berlin.de> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:00:39 +0000 Message-ID: From: Chris Rees To: "O. Hartmann" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Cc: Martin Sugioarto , freebsd-current@freebsd.org, Igor Mozolevsky , Kalchev , freebsd-performance@freebsd.org, "O. Hartmann" , Daniel@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Benchmark (Phoronix): FreeBSD 9.0-RC2 vs. Oracle Linux 6.1 Server X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2011 13:00:46 -0000 On 23 Dec 2011 12:25, "O. Hartmann" wrote: > > Look at Steve Kargls problem. He investigated a SCHED_ULE problem in a > way that is far beyond enough! He gave tests, insights of his setup, bad > performance compared to SCHED_4BSD and what happend? We are still stuck > with this problem and more and more people realise, that FreeBSD does > have somewhere a problem and this seems to be a nasty problem not easy > to find or investigate. But look at how Steve has been silenced in the > past ... > Benchmarks, especially published ones, reveal those pits and soemone > could look into it. > Another problem is this very elite-feeling closed club. Once you managed > it getting into the club of committers or core team members, you'll > probably fight for your seat ... You are aware that Steve is part of the 'elite club', right? Many of us rarely use our @FreeBSD.org addresses; you'd probably be surprised at the names in the Developers list. Just being a committer gives your opinions very little weight; everyone has to make their case in the same way. There's really, really no eliteism here! Chris