From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Oct 14 07:55:30 2011 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A82C81065679 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:55:30 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from timp87@gmail.com) Received: from mail-ey0-f182.google.com (mail-ey0-f182.google.com [209.85.215.182]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A6F38FC1B for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:55:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by eyd10 with SMTP id 10so1082338eyd.13 for ; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:55:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=Mir1AuZ0YZvO1PnpkO3lXPUejdN00MRal8qktwuEQZg=; b=my3LAbA5w3INw75pumzWWEzRZSqqDutd5Nwz3kux5bcQunZ3Ao6IbYFPUnnV3KiidT 5/EnU+e7OM5zMlnNm3i7Bilq6jxwhTMSOGr0w0Oja7+OHCwbZWOeU4Wo+3Ehz8oEr+jx meLv75PcBgWAeGuTWr/ryBx8xop1kClPZ2NNE= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.7.18 with SMTP id b18mr2482543fab.31.1318578928993; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.152.11.195 with HTTP; Fri, 14 Oct 2011 00:55:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 11:55:28 +0400 Message-ID: From: Pavel Timofeev To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:26:34 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.5 Subject: x.0 RELASE isn't for production. X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 07:55:30 -0000 That's what most people think. Hi! I would like to say that most freebsd users don't try CURRENT, but try BETAs-x, RCs-x. Why? Because most users don't like compile new kernel and world. It's tediously. You need to download a CURRENT snapshot iso, to install, csup, and then to build kernel and world. FreeBSD project builds CURRENT snapshot every month, but not always. And this volatility is bad. Month is a big period. Very big, imo. For example, 10 day period would be great! And when BETA/RC time comes users rush like mad to test it. And they find errors and bugs. Writing PR, emails and even !pathes! But the lion's share of these pathes doesn't get into the coming BETA or RC. Maintainers say "I don't have time [to test it]" or "It's too late". Why is it late? I'm talking about only BUGS (PRs with pathes), not new features. Let's users test it! In coming BETA/RC. Where are we in a hurry? The BETAs and RCs exists for finding BUGS in coming RELEASE! It's the only purpose of it. Of cause pathes would be commited after x.0 RELEASE to x.1 STABLE. Because of this situation most people says "x.0 RELASE isn't for production." All the above applies only to the opening of a new STABLE branch, 9 for this time. I think we hurry. Imo, BETA/RC period for !NEW! STABLE branch should be longer. Six months, for example. New STABLE branch is very important!