From owner-freebsd-hackers Sat Sep 21 17:46:22 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) id RAA04487 for hackers-outgoing; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mx.serv.net (mx.serv.net [199.201.191.10]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.5/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA04461 for ; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:46:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from MindBender.serv.net by mx.serv.net (8.7.5/SERV Revision: 2.30) id RAA17253; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:46:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost.HeadCandy.com (michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1]) by MindBender.serv.net (8.7.5/8.7.3) with SMTP id RAA02243; Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:39:53 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <199609220039.RAA02243@MindBender.serv.net> X-Authentication-Warning: MindBender.serv.net: Host michaelv@localhost.HeadCandy.com [127.0.0.1] didn't use HELO protocol To: Joe Greco cc: jkh@time.cdrom.com (Jordan K. Hubbard), julian@current1.whistle.com, Rich.Heaton@empac.com, hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Job openings: Unix Network Programmers, Internet server In-reply-to: Your message of Sat, 21 Sep 96 15:37:56 -0500. <199609212037.PAA14080@brasil.moneng.mei.com> Date: Sat, 21 Sep 1996 17:39:25 -0700 From: "Michael L. VanLoon -- HeadCandy.com" Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk >> Richard told me yesterday that Microsoft recently announced a >> multi-billion (yes, billion) dollar initiative to make NT *the* >> network operating system in 1997, and that's a whole heck of a lot of >> money. It's time for small companies involved with UNIX to pool their >> efforts or Bill is going to eat them all. He might eat them anyway, [...] >What you are saying is certainly wise, I have no doubts about that. >I am just a little dismayed at how things have developed... we could >really use this advice with respect to our multiple working OS development >groups. :-( What might be almost as helpful is for people who know what they want, and why they want it, to file bug reports, requests, and such with Microsoft ("telnet sucks, please fix it", "give us a single-rooted filesystem", "give us a Real Shell", etc.). That way, if NT becomes the defacto commercial server OS (which it has a very good chance of doing), at least it will be something that Unix advocates won't mind using so much. It's pretty hard to get some of my bug reports and suggestions taken seriously when they think some of this stuff doesn't matter to the majority of people. For example, two I filed recently on problems with NT telnet and NT ftp. They agreed they were broken, but told me that they were pretty far down the priority list. Microsoft is very sensative to their Net presence, and whatever they deem as threats to it. Microsoft IS also interested in making NT a really great OS. We just have to tell them what we consider "really great" to be. Please no MS flames or on-going MS-bashing threads on the public list. (If that's what you want to do, flame me privately.) I mean this as a serious suggestion. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Michael L. VanLoon michaelv@MindBender.serv.net --< Free your mind and your machine -- NetBSD free un*x >-- NetBSD working ports: 386+PC, Mac 68k, Amiga, Atari 68k, HP300, Sun3, Sun4/4c/4m, DEC MIPS, DEC Alpha, PC532, VAX, MVME68k, arm32... NetBSD ports in progress: PICA, others... -----------------------------------------------------------------------------