From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Sat Jun 10 00:38:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org Delivered-To: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC8916A41F; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:38:16 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from pittgoth.com (ns1.pittgoth.com [216.38.206.188]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A6043D73; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:38:16 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Received: from localhost (net-ix.gw.ai.net [205.134.160.6] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by pittgoth.com (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id k5A0dlqi045100 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:39:48 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from trhodes@FreeBSD.org) Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2006 20:38:02 -0400 From: Tom Rhodes To: John Baldwin Message-Id: <20060609203802.7cbdf70f.trhodes@FreeBSD.org> In-Reply-To: <200606090853.48604.jhb@freebsd.org> References: <200606070333.k573XmRc067920@repoman.freebsd.org> <200606071051.47070.jhb@freebsd.org> <20060608004803.GK81573@wantadilla.lemis.com> <200606090853.48604.jhb@freebsd.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-portbld-freebsd7.0) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: grog@FreeBSD.org, trhodes@FreeBSD.org, src-committers@FreeBSD.org, cvs-all@FreeBSD.org, cvs-src@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD (was: cvs commit: src Makefile README) X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 00:38:16 -0000 On Fri, 9 Jun 2006 08:53:47 -0400 John Baldwin wrote: > On Wednesday 07 June 2006 20:48, Greg 'groggy' Lehey wrote: > > On Wednesday, 7 June 2006 at 10:51:45 -0400, John Baldwin wrote: > > > On Tuesday 06 June 2006 23:33, Tom Rhodes wrote: > > >> trhodes 2006-06-07 03:33:48 UTC > > >> > > >> FreeBSD src repository > > >> > > >> Modified files: > > >> . Makefile README > > >> Log: > > >> Simply running ``make world'' will bomb unless you dig up the > > >> undocumented HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD variable and set it. Note it > > >> here so the blow up will not really be a surprise to people who > > >> read. > > > > > > I thought the obfuscation was intentional as very few people should > > > be doing a 'make world' without a custom DESTDIR these days. > > > > Then there's no reason not to document it. > > > > Warning: FORCE_ROOT_INSTALL can render your system unusable by > > overwriting existing configuration files. Do not use it unless you > > are completely aware of the consequences. > > > > And yes, a descriptive name like FORCE_ROOT_INSTALL, not > > HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD. > > Describing it would subvert the intended obfuscation. > > > > Certainly people new to FreeBSD shouldn't be doing it; only those > > > with the command hardwired into their brains. We've had > > > buildworld/installworld since 2.2.5 (or 2.2.6) I think as I've only > > > had to do a 'make world' once to go from 2.2.2 to 2.2.6. :) > > > > FWIW, that's when the rot set in IMO. One of the nice things about > > FreeBSD *used* to be that to upgrade the system you just needed to do > > "make world". Now you have a lot more work. > > > > The only justification for this regression is that it's really > > difficult to get everything right. But that's a bug, not a feature. > > No, the justification is that 'make world' completely ignores the kernel and > only handles userland, and an operating system is both a kernel and a > userland and that users should update those together. If you as a developer > want to use make world you can either run the two commands back to back or > you can put I_REALLY_KNOW_WHAT_IM_DOING_AND_WANT_TO_HOSE_MY_MACHINE in > make.conf or something. However, developers wanting to do this are in the > _VAST_ minority and I'd much rather cater to the other 99% of the world. Hmmm. Perhaps a warning like this and then kill the HISTORICAL_MAKE_WORLD target and related docs? -- Tom Rhodes %cvs diff -u Makefile Index: Makefile =================================================================== RCS file: /home/ncvs/src/Makefile,v retrieving revision 1.332 diff -u -r1.332 Makefile --- Makefile 7 Jun 2006 03:33:48 -0000 1.332 +++ Makefile 10 Jun 2006 00:32:28 -0000 @@ -196,6 +196,9 @@ @echo "--------------------------------------------------------------" @echo ">>> make world completed on `LC_ALL=C date`" @echo " (started ${STARTTIME})" + @echo "If this source is different than the version of FreeBSD" + @echo "running, build and install a new kernel or there will be" + @echo "problems." @echo "--------------------------------------------------------------" .else world: