From owner-freebsd-hackers Wed Feb 28 23:32:19 1996 Return-Path: owner-hackers Received: (from root@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) id XAA12655 for hackers-outgoing; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:32:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from casparc.ppp.net (casparc.ppp.net [194.64.12.35]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.7.3/8.7.3) with SMTP id XAA12633 for ; Wed, 28 Feb 1996 23:32:16 -0800 (PST) Received: from ernie by casparc.ppp.net with uucp (Smail3.1.28.1 #1) id m0ts2qK-000I8tC; Thu, 29 Feb 96 08:32 MET Received: by ernie.altona.hamburg.com (Smail3.1.29.1 #4) id m0ts2kP-00001UC; Thu, 29 Feb 96 08:25 MET Message-Id: From: hm@altona.hamburg.com (Hellmuth Michaelis) Subject: Re: xforms maintenance tools (was Re: Tcl/Tk sysinstall) To: nate@sri.MT.net (Nate Williams) Date: Thu, 29 Feb 1996 08:25:57 +0100 (MET) Cc: jerry@border.com, hm@altona.hamburg.com, mikee@sys8.wfc.com, hackers@freebsd.org In-Reply-To: <199602282223.PAA09082@rocky.sri.MT.net> from "Nate Williams" at Feb 28, 96 03:23:42 pm Reply-To: hm@altona.hamburg.com X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL24] Content-Type: text Sender: owner-hackers@freebsd.org Precedence: bulk >From the keyboard of Nate Williams: > > > One should use a toolkit which runs under both X and curses. > > > > Memory is cheap. So is disk space... > > Yeah right. 16MB of memory is $700, and 1 Gig of disk is around $1500 > for my laptop. I can buy a fully loaded desktop Pentium for the cost of > those two parts alone. A laptop that runs X nicely is gonna cost you > about $5k, which is more than most can spend. A laptop that can run > FreeBSD nicely will set you back about $2.5K, about half. > > X is *not* an option for many laptop owners, and judging for the > responses I've seen recently laptop computing is becoming very popular > (and common). Its not only the laptop. For many server type machines (which are probably remote maintained) it does not make any sense to install X, but it does make sense to have some (fullscreen) systems administration tools available. In my job i work mainly with HP 9000/800 machines, and one thing they really did right was to make it possible to run the system adminstration tool (sam) in both character mode and under X. In case i do local systems management i'll use the X version, remote i can easily use the character based one. It saved (not only) us countless thousands of kilometers travelling .... hellmuth -- Hellmuth Michaelis hm@altona.hamburg.com Hamburg, Europe (A)bort, (R)etry, (I)nstall BSD ?