From owner-freebsd-multimedia@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Nov 28 01:31:28 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [69.147.83.52]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFD46247 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:31:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from tower.berklix.org (tower.berklix.org [83.236.223.114]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3BD9D8FC0C for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:31:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mart.js.berklix.net (p5DCBE904.dip.t-dialin.net [93.203.233.4]) (authenticated bits=128) by tower.berklix.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qAS0VUC7037942; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:31:31 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (fire.js.berklix.net [192.168.91.41]) by mart.js.berklix.net (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id qAS0UpJ5094419; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:30:51 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@berklix.com) Received: from fire.js.berklix.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fire.js.berklix.net (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id qAS0UdE8059682; Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:30:45 +0100 (CET) (envelope-from jhs@fire.js.berklix.net) Message-Id: <201211280030.qAS0UdE8059682@fire.js.berklix.net> To: "Dieter BSD" Subject: Re: Support for "old" hardware (was:Re: kern/148741: [sound] Headphones are deaf (do not work) on Lenovo ThinkPad X300) From: "Julian H. Stacey" Organization: http://berklix.com BSD Unix Linux Consultancy, Munich Germany User-agent: EXMH on FreeBSD http://berklix.com/free/ X-URL: http://www.berklix.com In-reply-to: Your message "Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:11:28 EST." <20121127231130.106340@gmx.com> Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:30:38 +0100 Sender: jhs@berklix.com Cc: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-BeenThere: freebsd-multimedia@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: Multimedia discussions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2012 01:31:29 -0000 Hi, Reference: > From: "Dieter BSD" > Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:11:28 -0500 > Message-id: <20121127231130.106340@gmx.com> "Dieter BSD" wrote: > Alexander writes: > > Also, adding special exception for this laptop to the driver is quite > > pointless because while it will pass next 6 months FreeBSD release cycle > > this already not new laptop will be out of market for even more time and > > will be mostly forgotten. > > Are we to throw computers in the landfill once they are 5 minutes old? > Not very green. :-( Agreed. We don't turn our equipment off just 'cos our model no longer on sales shelves. Not all users companies & countries are rich & constantly buying the latest. There's markets for 2nd hand laptops ( inc. eg a shop 2 streets from here). Older hardware can be better & more available: - Cheaper or free (grab the boss's `old' replaced MS PC & install BSD). - On the flat of the bath tub graph curve of engineering reliability: More time for others to discover & document which PCs have exploding laptop batteries & broken in-disk BIOSes, etc. - More time for the public source community to develop drivers. - (My old laptop has much better speakers than my 2 new laptops). Supporting older hardware helps tempt MS users eg: "Rather than buy a new PC to support the latest bloated MS upgrade, why not try install a Free BSD or Linux, more efficient to cope with limited resources on your existing PC - & spend Nothing ! (Or if you must buy a new MS PC, install BSD on the old & sample a Free OS)." Cheers, Julian -- Julian Stacey, BSD Unix Linux C Sys Eng Consultant, Munich http://berklix.com Reply below not above, like a play script. Indent old text with "> ". Send plain text. Not: HTML, multipart/alternative, base64, quoted-printable.