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Date:      Thu, 24 Oct 1996 17:07:30 -0700 (PDT)
From:      John Utz <spaz@u.washington.edu>
To:        Guido van Rooij <guido@gvr.win.tue.nl>
Cc:        FreeBSD-hackers <FreeBSD-hackers@FreeBSD.org>
Subject:   Re: netbooting from dos
Message-ID:  <Pine.OSF.3.95.961024163337.28146A-100000@becker1.u.washington.edu>
In-Reply-To: <199610242239.AAA03809@gvr.win.tue.nl>

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Hello Guido;

	Here is what i am doing, while it is not exactly what you are
asking, it might suffice....

On Fri, 25 Oct 1996, Guido van Rooij wrote:

> I wonder if it is possible with the current software to have a system
> booting freebsd from the network by invoking some dos program.
> I want to have a system usually running dos but occasionally I also
> want to boot FreeBSD with it. I don;t have the diskspace to install
> it locally. I do have very little to install a minimal filesystem.
> Btw: It would suffice to just use it as an X server.

	What i have is a fake network with three nodes. Two nodes are
"seats" with monitors and keyboards and such. The server has about .75G of
diskspace ( and no monitor or keyboard ).

	The seats have 160M and 120M, respectively. The diskspace on these
seats is partitioned with 70m dedicated to freebsd. The dos partitions on
each seat are differently sized because the larger disk is on the same
seat as the cdrom, and all the groovy multimedia support apps like
quicktime and video for windows *insist* on being installed in the
C:\windows directory.

	The server runs freebsd and has a dos partition on it whose sole
purpose is to be exported to the seats via samba. This allows me to only
install diskhogs like matlab and visual C++ only once.

	So the non-cdrom seat only has wfw/tcp-ip and dos6.2 installed on
it.  This takes about 50 megs with *generous* (30M?) swap space. All of
the dos/win apps run just fine.

	The freebsd partition has only the "minimal" install set installed
on it and a 25-30M swap partition. However, there is probably alot of
stuff that could get blown off the minimal install list because i am
mounting /usr from the server,which is where all of the X stuff is
located. 

	I doubt that this is really what you had in mind, but i thought i
might offer it as a plausible alternative. It offers the advantage of
making the seat only responsible for running X and leaving the actual
applications to the server's cpu budget ( i use 386/387 33's with 6-8 meg
of ram as seats and *server* ) and makes administration ( both dos and
freebsd ) much simpler. I can also use the cdrom on the downstairs machine
as a resource on the upstairs machine, which is pretty cool( but only
under wfw, because it is an atapi cdrom ).

	At the least, if u want to run freebsd, u will need to create a
partition on the hard drive, i dont see any way of getting 'round that.
Cant think of any dos-based miracle that will allow this to work
otherwise.

> 
> -Guido
> 

hope this helps. i know it has vastly enhanced domestic bliss on the
computer front...my wife insists on windows, i insist on freebsd, we both
get our way...where-ever we choose to sit! 

Oh, and if u decide to go this route. use 2.1.5-RELEASE, not the
snapshots. I have not isolated the problem to either XFree or FreeBSD, but
the latest version of XF86 and the 961006 SNAP conspire to make X die when
some applications loose the mouse. I know this all worked fine on
2.1.5-RELEASE.

*******************************************************************************
 John Utz	spaz@u.washington.edu
	idiocy is the impulse function in the convolution of life




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