From owner-freebsd-hackers Mon Oct 27 06:19:18 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id GAA22081 for hackers-outgoing; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:19:18 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-hackers) Received: from elvis.vnet.net (elvis.vnet.net [166.82.1.5]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA22075 for ; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 06:19:09 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from rivers@dignus.com) Received: from ponds.dignus.com (ponds.vnet.net [166.82.177.48]) by elvis.vnet.net (8.8.5/8.8.4) with ESMTP id JAA12570; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 09:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from lakes.dignus.com (lakes [10.0.0.3]) by ponds.dignus.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA20509; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 08:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from rivers@localhost) by lakes.dignus.com (8.8.5/8.6.9) id HAA02897; Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:55:48 -0500 (EST) Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 07:55:48 -0500 (EST) From: Thomas David Rivers Message-Id: <199710271255.HAA02897@lakes.dignus.com> To: perlsta@cs.sunyit.edu, tom@sdf.com Subject: Re: Parity Ram Cc: hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Sender: owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk > On Sun, 26 Oct 1997, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > > Do you know anything of Richard Hamming's assertion that parity memory > > > > (the old fashioned even/odd type) is-a-bad -thing in large > > > > configurations? > > > > > > I think it bullshit. I've never heard of this before. Nor have you in > > > the two times you've mentioned it, actually stated what is supposed to be > > > so bad about it. > > > > more bits means more chance of error even if they are "error-correcting" > > bits? > > And how is that bad? Even simple parity systems will catch 100% of all > single bit errors, regardless of where the bit appears. > > More bits mean more redundancy. That means it gets safer, not riskier. > > Tom > > In reliability - more doesn't always mean safer. Say, for example, I spread my database across two disks - but both have to be running for the software to gain access. Then, I've just doubled the probability of failure; not halved it. But - if I don't spread things out; but increase redundancy, I may have improved the situation. It depends on the path to the data (recall your database theory - you need one way to access information, redundancy in access paths can cause serious problems as well.) - Dave Rivers -