From owner-freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Mon Oct 9 16:16:08 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9A3BE3507B for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (mailman.ysv.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::50:5]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27EA063668 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) id 0640CE35072; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:16:08 +0000 (UTC) Delivered-To: arch@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05286E35070 for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:16:08 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Received: from outbound1a.eu.mailhop.org (outbound1a.eu.mailhop.org [52.58.109.202]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 302E56365C for ; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 16:16:06 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) X-MHO-User: 24eaa667-ad0d-11e7-a893-25625093991c X-Report-Abuse-To: https://support.duocircle.com/support/solutions/articles/5000540958-duocircle-standard-smtp-abuse-information X-Originating-IP: 73.78.92.27 X-Mail-Handler: DuoCircle Outbound SMTP Received: from ilsoft.org (unknown [73.78.92.27]) by outbound1.eu.mailhop.org (Halon) with ESMTPSA id 24eaa667-ad0d-11e7-a893-25625093991c; Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:16:03 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rev (rev [172.22.42.240]) by ilsoft.org (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTP id v99GFxQg001530; Mon, 9 Oct 2017 10:15:59 -0600 (MDT) (envelope-from ian@freebsd.org) Message-ID: <1507565759.77958.7.camel@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: deorbiting /usr/lib/libstand.a, moving to sysboot From: Ian Lepore To: Warner Losh Cc: "freebsd-arch@freebsd.org" , Dimitry Andric Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 10:15:59 -0600 In-Reply-To: References: <23C4A573-05A7-4D76-9179-19169ECAB570@FreeBSD.org> <1507565085.77958.3.camel@freebsd.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" X-Mailer: Evolution 3.18.5.1 FreeBSD GNOME Team Port Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-BeenThere: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussion related to FreeBSD architecture List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 09 Oct 2017 16:16:09 -0000 On Mon, 2017-10-09 at 10:09 -0600, Warner Losh wrote: > On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 10:04 AM, Ian Lepore wrote: > > > > > On Mon, 2017-10-09 at 17:57 +0200, Dimitry Andric wrote: > > > > > > On 9 Oct 2017, at 07:45, Warner Losh wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'd like to deorbit /usr/lib/stand.a and /usr/include/stand.h. These > > are > > > > > > > > > > > really parts of the boot loader with an unstable API and shouldn't be > > > > installed into the system. It's really a private library to the boot > > loader. > > > > > > Though I completely agree with this, I am still interested in the > > > historical reasons for separating out this library for general userland > > > consumption.  Were there any other parts of world that happened to use > > > libstand? > > > > > > -Dimitry > > > > > There are out-of-tree users of libstand.  Perhaps not many, but a > > couple times after doing something to libstand I've received emails > > from people that thanked me for the enhancement and mentioned some non- > > loader(8) use of the lib in passing.  (Unfortunately, I can't find any > > of those mails now, they were from 2-3 years ago.) > > > They can email me and I'll help them convert over... :) > > Warner Actually, I got distracted, then came back and hit Send too soon.  I meant to ask "Will the library still be accessible to out of tree users?", so that adjusting to the change will amount to fixing some build breakage to adjust to a new location? -- Ian