From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Feb 23 20:50:17 2014 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C891675A for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru [IPv6:2a01:4f8:131:60a2::2]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827C413CD for ; Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from lion.home.serebryakov.spb.ru (unknown [IPv6:2001:470:923f:1:2572:353:cc5e:8eee]) (Authenticated sender: lev@serebryakov.spb.ru) by onlyone.friendlyhosting.spb.ru (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 10C444AC31; Mon, 24 Feb 2014 00:50:15 +0400 (MSK) Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2014 00:50:07 +0400 From: Lev Serebryakov Organization: FreeBSD X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1261682866.20140224005007@serebryakov.spb.ru> To: Freddie Cash Subject: Linux chasing (Was: libinit idea) In-Reply-To: References: <20140223182232.GA25967@lucius.XxX> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Bruno Lauz?? , Scot Hetzel , Lucius Rizzo , Andreas Nilsson , FreeBSD-Current X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.17 Precedence: list Reply-To: lev@FreeBSD.org List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 20:50:17 -0000 Hello, Freddie. You wrote 23 =D1=84=D0=B5=D0=B2=D1=80=D0=B0=D0=BB=D1=8F 2014 =D0=B3., 22:31= :48: FC> The main developer for systemd is very anti-portability and anti-!Linux= . He FC> had actively rejected patches that made his projects work on non-Linux FC> systems. In order to port systemd to a non-Linux system, he wants you to FC> first implement every Linux feature that systemd uses. FC> systemd is a non-starter, and not with considering. The problem is, next (or N+2) GNOME, KDE and X.org itself will depend on systemd, and, maybe, X.org will be discontinued at all for Wayland (or-what-is-name-of-this-technology), which will be even more Linux-centric. It is topic for other thread, but this chasing Linux in system features (hal/udev/systemd/whatever) needed for desktop environment is painful, and FreeBSD without decent modern DE will fail to attract new users :( --=20 // Black Lion AKA Lev Serebryakov