From owner-freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Mon Nov 27 00:54:09 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61418DF4D6B; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 00:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@gmail.com) Received: from mail-it0-x241.google.com (mail-it0-x241.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4001:c0b::241]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 238527DA5A; Mon, 27 Nov 2017 00:54:09 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from dieterbsd@gmail.com) Received: by mail-it0-x241.google.com with SMTP id t1so1781775ite.5; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:54:09 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Cmu3T0wIeIzOwuDxw7YGXXsTHOiSkmoFrUYfmW3ENvc=; b=jhyqhIbKbGRDqUNnjznM9YV+uGuRxGDAQW3wg70a/fpqz1K5dh3GU5A7qI5enmDdJ5 smTXB/WBk9/vyYbNYmPp2Fb+ORAjggd50vL7WXaRQF/bixP9LTDoy9FvvedQsNmO+rg7 TEqwUBCrMXlvS2MEWcXgAeUY+CvqOkaCV+AUSJuz57CQCta5XknPqN0zFRd7S3rgMPvZ Mwye0dNs485x1xk1sRRSPUwGJkaFUzvyzwbcyvDBDTQzO4WaFadWahfegEpUKCNz3Yz7 RXcFkFM9jMFG/L/jt1h95h2WdydEXPeZAN6CZTqR5CRBsMfJdBaLABrFJ2jUOskI7mkJ Vvhg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=Cmu3T0wIeIzOwuDxw7YGXXsTHOiSkmoFrUYfmW3ENvc=; b=NvGc5BHl641NqX0H3PsV9pdUpmmcBbYoJu1TSkKK6OEGEfI4HE6LyEBOdFuJYfekRT TMuKjYLZrVa4cjiHFSBiHic35vaT1WsMX7vnxwYWODvEXF7551g31mxqmXjy7wj9G0iD nEZ9Rkn6AwNb42CWmM5ceTMsJeGNvvdy8gw/IOUK+IEi2+dgFRXT1TMChVriQ6/0NY6D ELYBQczGOIXeysnY0U1r8Qn++j7Tzk8ak1IoZ70hGLpxHS9LvFb3hSMhXE4lqDsd0HAv rMkmlrbu9K22aEi9ujvCOspZRqRgoodzRXyx4YhoHYNEdd6UIS6MOqphjQQxcTorwz5S XA5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AJaThX40qBvAuLkMvlYisIlm4FtQ01GeNyt44fSv1VNnIA42x9bd/Teb R5AyIyyNwDjdLXdeJz2V6KbbsofaGMFQPiDI72U= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGs4zMYCkWA32SF59ju01k2veAa01YHKmzGMN2Q7/DzfMeBRbsNNlkNSLNVNPN1ibn5pbqX3wDLLwOZHodfPjRB7C4Q= X-Received: by 10.36.9.133 with SMTP id 127mr27990217itm.69.1511744048464; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:54:08 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.107.134.210 with HTTP; Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:54:08 -0800 (PST) From: Dieter BSD Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2017 16:54:08 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: The future of fortune(6) To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Cc: freebsd-arch@freebsd.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 27 Nov 2017 00:54:09 -0000 So someone finds a quote of a democratically elected leader offensive. And now some are attacking fortune with torches and pitchforks. Let's throw out the baby with the bathwater. Shall we throw out anything that anyone finds offensive? I find a lot of things offensive. Here are a few: Censorship Low quality products and services Support for low quality products and services (inthell, microshit, ...) Ignoring PRs for years and years and years and years... Status reports that do not report progress (or lack thereof) reducing the number of open PRs. Replacing a working PR system with bugzilla Dropping nuclear bombs on innocent civilians Replacing a working package system with pile of garbage that does not work. Naming the new pile of garbage that does not work the same as the previous working system, which then "requires" adding another layer of crap that does not work. Cancer Assuming that everyone has a reliable 24x7 ueberfast Internet connection. Assuming that https is somehow better than http. It may add a microscopic amount of security, but also subtracts a far larger amount. It is much slower, and breaks many things. Often the page will not load at all. Honoring a request for https is good, but forcing it down everyone's throat is evil. Mainboard designers who think that 7 expansion slots should be enough for anyone. Many can't even count to 7. Mainboard designers who think that RS-232 is no longer needed. Mainboard designers who do not understand the necessity for ECC. Closed source software, including firmware. Building bike sheds with materials that require paint. Proper bike sheds are built from things like stone or brick.