From owner-freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Sun Dec 10 10:16:07 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C3CE88219 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from dnvrco-cmomta01.email.rr.com (dnvrco-outbound-snat.email.rr.com [107.14.73.227]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "Client", Issuer "CA" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BBC7F6B4F2 for ; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:16:07 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from mueller6722@twc.com) Received: from localhost ([74.134.208.22]) by cmsmtp with ESMTP id NybreETZ7goKNNybteRJKU; Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:13:26 +0000 Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:12:52 +0000 From: "Thomas Mueller" To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: looks like I am no longer welcome around here References: <20171209135853.a6c104f5.freebsd@edvax.de> <20171209142711.d5bd91b7.freebsd@edvax.de> <4b109558-8422-a62a-9c45-748e03efbfba@columbus.rr.com> <20171209202321.b9919fc3.freebsd@edvax.de> X-CMAE-Envelope: MS4wfGXmJcWNJP+cBIspdYcq24qtQjCvjXe24303urBpzYfJSy3qGqmds4xIaAX4D4S2CbWcFTDjrOk3vxZFWr+MCJ/CZZ7XifqNi/z92ZvHf73PsdfdaAu1 2ruNk/8lIA1O1ysyhC3Dhm4cxp18tQrwwETj2IUKWTOtnrjBKej3HlmcpKYry7wB9ZF2vNgsUhWWcw== X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.25 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2017 10:16:07 -0000 from Polytropon: > Please allow me a few comments regarding your rant (which has > some valid point, but in my opinion illustrates a little lack > of understanding of how some things on FreeBSD work): > > They don't like to be called out or have some one be critcal of the > > "new" flavor system or any "new" thing that comes down the pike. It has > > caused a butt load of issues with my systems here. > In that case, "they" would have kicked me more than once for > expressing that I don't like the sc -> vt transition (which, > as I might mention again, is one of the biggest show stoppers, > because vt isn't a fully working replacement of sc, and it > can do only a fraction of what sc could, and even that only > at bad quality, and it's hardly documented). Now let's see > what happens. :-) I remember the switch to vt was necessary to enable xorg to work; this is also true in NetBSD; they call it DRMKMS. Copy-and-paste by mouse in FreeBSD double-spaces lines; mouse on console does not work at all in NetBSD. In NetBSD, I like booting into a 240x67 console; I can work better than with 80x25 or 80x30. Tom