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Date:      Fri, 09 May 1997 12:11:24 +0100
From:      Damian Hamill <damian@cablenet.net>
To:        "Jordan K. Hubbard" <jkh@time.cdrom.com>
Cc:        freebsd@freebsd.org
Subject:   Re: ESCAPE! Florida Cruise/Vacation $598/4 People
Message-ID:  <33730650.446B9B3D@cablenet.net>
References:  <16755.863158760@time.cdrom.com>

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Jordan K. Hubbard wrote:
> 

[interesting tome from Jordan about spamming deleted]

As an ISP I would take part in any scheme to make life difficult for
spammers and I would not knowingly take their business.  I agree with
Jordan that 

	a) government (any government) won't even realise there is a
	 problem, much less do anything about it until way too late

	b) co-operation and self regulation are our best options

I was instrumental in the setting up of ISPA in the UK and I firmly
believe that such organisations can co-operate together to provide
information and assistance to allow ISPs to tackle this problem.  The UK
has the advantage that it has a single organisation that is recognised
by the governemt/media etc. as the representative organisation for the
industry.

For example I would be prepared to block email and net traffic from
named spammer domains or networks hosting spammers.  Ideally I would
like to setup a process to automatically download a list of said domains
and networks from say vix.com or freebsd.org.  I would want to redirect
web traffic to a page explaining why it was blocked and probably listing
blocked doamin/networks.

I would also accept a list of personal details about spammers and refuse
accounts to those people.

However I would much rather do this as a measure recommended by my
national ISP association rather than unilateraly.  I would also like the
whole thing to be automatic so once setup the the lists of blocked
domain/networks/people would be updated automatically.

Just my thoughts..


> But first and before any of this can happen, the ISPs need to grow up
> and stop trying to poke eachother in the eyes with sticks and start
> cooperating.  Sadly, my perception of about 80% of the ISP market is
> that they wouldn't paddle on the same side of the boat if they needed
> to do so in order to escape an approaching tsunami, preferring instead
> to drown rather than give eachother the time of day.
> 
> That's not only sad, but if spammers take over the internet and break
> it as a reasonable medium, it will be *solely* through poor business
> practices (and even less ethics) like this, and the ISPs will be
> squarely to blame for opening the gates to the barbarian hordes in
> exchange for a piece of the action on their raping and pillaging.

Yes Jordan .... you can calm down now.

:-)

regards
damian
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*    Damian Hamill        damian@cablenet.net



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