From owner-cvs-src@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Sep 5 14:03:00 2003 Return-Path: Delivered-To: cvs-src@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D63AF16A4BF; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:03:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sccrmhc11.comcast.net (sccrmhc11.comcast.net [204.127.202.55]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 476F843F3F; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:02:59 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from DougB@freebsd.org) Received: from 12-234-22-23.client.attbi.com ([12.234.22.23]) by comcast.net (sccrmhc11) with SMTP id <2003090521025701100ik3a6e>; Fri, 5 Sep 2003 21:02:58 +0000 Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:02:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Doug Barton To: Marcel Moolenaar In-Reply-To: <20030905183127.GA849@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Message-ID: <20030905135542.M90946@12-234-22-23.pyvrag.nggov.pbz> References: <42548.1062488547@critter.freebsd.dk> <20030902004917.S6074@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <3F58B8B7.30107@tcoip.com.br> <20030905110128.Y8003@znfgre.qbhto.arg> <20030905183127.GA849@dhcp01.pn.xcllnt.net> Organization: http://www.FreeBSD.org/ X-message-flag: Outlook -- Not just for spreading viruses anymore! MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII cc: Alexey Dokuchaev cc: Poul-Henning Kamp cc: src-committers@FreeBSD.org cc: "Daniel C. Sobral" cc: cvs-src@FreeBSD.org cc: cvs-all@FreeBSD.org Subject: Re: cvs commit: src/rescue/rescue Makefile X-BeenThere: cvs-src@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: CVS commit messages for the src tree List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2003 21:03:01 -0000 On Fri, 5 Sep 2003, Marcel Moolenaar wrote: > On Fri, Sep 05, 2003 at 11:05:09AM -0700, Doug Barton wrote: > > > > > > So this consensus isn't at all all that consensual. > > > > "Consensus" does not mean "Universal Agreement." > > It does mean "general agreement", so if you don't take universal > literally then for all practical purposes it does mean universal > agreement. Errr.. huh? Here is the American Heritage Dictionary defnition: NOUN:1. An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole. 2. General agreement or accord: government by consensus. In a group this size, with as many smart people as we have participating, you're never going to get universal agreement. In addition to the fact that it's not what consensus means in the first place. :) > This is also the crux: we never formally agreed on anything, because > we cannot deal with the consequence: which is to unify all knobs. So, > the only understanding we reached was that we have slightly more > separatists than we have consolidators. But as long as we don't unify > the usage of the existing knobs, this topic will be repeated ad > nauseam. > > Since I'm not going to change the knobs, I cannot force an outcome. Don't take this the wrong way, but with an attitude like that, how do you get out of bed in the morning? :) The consensus was that we'd use seperators for all NEW knobs, and go back and deal with the rest if time allows. In addition to the concern about knobs without seperators sometimes being hard for people who do understand english to parse, we also have to take into account the people for whom english is not their first language. Therefore, I think that the need for this standard on all new knobs is clear, and I'll take the rest of the discussion to -arch where it belongs. Doug -- This .signature sanitized for your protection