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Thomas David Rivers wrote:
> 
> >
> > > > Dunno...I'm skeptical of GUIs for system configuration.  Just seems
> > > > that there's no way they could ever be flexible enough to handle everyting.
> > >   Thay must be extensability.
> > > >
> > >
> > > In principle, GUI tools is not such bad, it can be usefull.
> >
> > GUI tools are good for most things, except for very low-level stuff or
> > doing evil tweaky things to configurations. :)
> 
>  Let me add something else to the list of where not to use a GUI:
>     Multiple/repetitive items  (e.g. adding 500 freshmen accounts to
>   several systems.) 

   GUI config without programm interface to config (in our case it is
text files, which we can s/../ / and so on) is bad.

   But in sheme GUI->TextFile all is normal.

 
> >
> > However, I like GUIs because it makes the *end user* feel more comfortable
> > configuring something. Sysadmins and clued people of a similar nature are
> > the edit-config-file-type, however I thought FreeBSD was also aimed at the
> > average joe running Windows :)
> 
>    We have tended toward that direction a little more recently; but my
>  understand had been that we would accomodate the Windowsphile when possible
>  but not, in general.
> 

 Of course, GUI a little save time for sysadmin
  (do not think what file patch)

 In principal, the most correct way is some in style
 central GUI -> TextFiles -> cfengine (or make)


> >
> > Adrian
> >
> 
>         - Dave Rivers -