From owner-freebsd-stable@FreeBSD.ORG Fri Apr 8 00:03:42 2005 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77E6716A4CE for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:03:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.182.167]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0522943D45 for ; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:03:42 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from drew@mykitchentable.net) Received: from filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net (filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.68])61103358CAE; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from relay04.roc.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.167]) [66.133.183.68]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id 30216-04-62; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:03:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (70-97-204-86.dsl2.elk.ca.frontiernet.net [70.97.204.86])0B27E358CDA; Fri, 8 Apr 2005 00:03:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [165.107.42.217] (unknown [165.107.42.217]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by blacklamb.mykitchentable.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14EC63BF3BE; Thu, 7 Apr 2005 17:03:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4255CA32.4010707@mykitchentable.net> Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2005 17:02:58 -0700 From: Drew Tomlinson User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0 (Windows/20041206) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Karl Denninger References: <20050329200841.A772@denninger.net> <20050329233843.L328@sasami.jurai.net> <20050329230830.A3222@denninger.net> <20050329234318.A3883@denninger.net> <44027.128.222.32.10.1112202442.squirrel@mail.scadian.net> <20050330113931.A39018@denninger.net> <424AF396.6010909@mykitchentable.net> <20050330233018.B68235@denninger.net> In-Reply-To: <20050330233018.B68235@denninger.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-20040701 (2.0) at filter01.roc.ny.frontiernet.net cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Subject: Re: DANGER WILL ROBINSON! SERIOUS problem with current 5.4-PRERELEASE X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.1 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2005 00:03:42 -0000 On 3/30/2005 9:30 PM Karl Denninger wrote: >On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 10:44:38AM -0800, Drew Tomlinson wrote: > > >>I missed the beginning of this thread and apologize if my question has >>already been covered. But can you tell me if this issue might be the >>reason my PC locks up intermittently ? I have whatever cheap card came >>with a Maxtor 160 GB SATA drive installed in this machine and the PC ran >>fine with Windows. Now I'm trying install FBSD from the 5.4-BETA ISO I >>downloaded from the ftp site. The PC runs POST fine and always boots >>from the CD to the boot menu. After picking the default option 1 >>(normal boot) the PC locks up anywhere from the dmesg output to >>sysinstall actually beginning to install the base package after doing >>the fdisk and disklabel stuff. Should I download 5.3-RELEASE and try >>installing from that? >> >>Thanks, >> >>Drew >> >> > >5.3-RELEASE may lock up too, but in different ways. In a non-redundant disk >situation a bogus fatal write error hoses you in extremely bad ways, including >possible file or filesystem metadata damage. I would NOT run 5.3 in an attempt >to get around this, in that such damage could remain "hidden" (although not >without notice, as the errors will show up on the console!) for quite some >time until you discover "holes" in your files or a critical metadata write >craps out and causes a crash - possibly with a corrupted disk that fsck >can't fix. Grave danger (to your data) lies down that road.... > > [lot's of good info snipped] Thanks so much for your response! I've found my particular problem is most likely the actual CPU. I've changed out every other part but the lock ups still occur. They even occur during POST after the machine gets warm. I'd change out the processor if I had one. Anyone have an old AMD Athlon Slot A processor they'd be willing to part with? :) Thanks, Drew -- Visit The Alchemist's Warehouse Magic Tricks, DVDs, Videos, Books, & More! http://www.alchemistswarehouse.com