From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 00:25:26 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DAD321065670 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:25:26 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from lars@larseighner.com) Received: from mail.team1internet.com (mail.team1internet.com [216.110.13.10]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A65628FC20 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:25:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix, from userid 12346) id BE04116B4F9; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:25:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: from larseighner.com (unknown [216.110.13.92]) by mail.team1internet.com (Postfix) with SMTP id DB03616B4CD; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:25:23 -0500 (CDT) Received: by larseighner.com (nbSMTP-1.00) for uid 1001 lars@larseighner.com; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:16:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 19:16:33 -0500 (CDT) From: Lars Eighner X-X-Sender: lars@debranded.6dollardialup.com To: utisoft@gmail.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="0-313373648-1256688964=:92033" X-Sanitizer: Anomy and SpamAssassin mail filter - see http://www.6dollardialup.com/support/spaminfo.html Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 00:25:26 -0000 This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. --0-313373648-1256688964=:92033 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Chris Rees wrote: > 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : >> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Chris Rees wrote: >> >>> 2009/10/27 Lars Eighner : >>>> >>>> On Tue, 27 Oct 2009, Jonathan McKeown wrote: >>>> >>>>> On Monday 26 October 2009 21:29:27 Yuri wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> It's in /usr/sbin/sendmail. >>>>>> >>>>>> How many people actually use it? Very few. >>>>>> Why isn't it moved to ports? >>>>> >>>>> What is this anti-sendmail obsession people have? >>>> >>>> The configuration is opaque, to put it kindly. >>>> >>> >>> Are you talking about sendmail.m4 or sendmail.cf? Because we stopped >>> editing sendmail.cf by hand years ago..... >> >> Then what are "we" using to edit sendmail.cf? =A0The man page doesn't se= em to >> be et up with verbosity on the subject. >> >> Let me guess: a gnome GUI? >> > > You guessed wrong. > > We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into > sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my > system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. > > http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html That's as poorly documented and incomprehensible as .cf by hand. What is your interest in sendmail? Are you connected with it in someway? Surely, yours could not be the opinion of someone who doesn't get a piece of O'Reilly's royalties. It's the same old crap, give the software away, sell the documentation. --=20 Lars Eighner http://www.larseighner.com/index.html 8800 N IH35 APT 1191 AUSTIN TX 78753-5266 --0-313373648-1256688964=:92033--