Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2015 22:37:53 +0100 From: Poppy Faria <cenu00@yandex.com> To: Randi Harper <randi@freebsdgirl.com>, =?utf-8?B?RGFnLUVybGluZyBTbcO4cmdyYXY=?= <des@des.no> Cc: Johannes Jost Meixner <johannes@meixner.dk>, "advocacy@freebsd.org" <advocacy@freebsd.org> Subject: Re: Concerning our new Code of Conduct... Message-ID: <2272121437082673@web9g.yandex.ru> In-Reply-To: <CAM9wqY-CMLZYBHQeKr%2BRfChxGru339BYiyR3d4HAd=Gizno%2BPA@mail.gmail.com> References: <55A647EE.4080504@meixner.dk> <864ml44hki.fsf@nine.des.no> <CAM9wqY-CMLZYBHQeKr%2BRfChxGru339BYiyR3d4HAd=Gizno%2BPA@mail.gmail.com>
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If having a code of conduct means that all of this nonsense will stop, then I'm in favor. However, I disagree with the idea of there being a code of conduct based on any political ideologies instead of an agreed upon fabric of moral and ethical decency. But seriously guys, please stop. I'm tire of getting notifications on my phone every five minutes just because a bunch of people have horrible and tasteless accusations to throw at eachother. Everyone, please, just stop it. I think I'm being reasonable here. 16.07.2015, 21:29, "Randi Harper" <randi@freebsdgirl.com>: > On Thu, Jul 16, 2015 at 1:45 AM, Dag-Erling Smørgrav <des@des.no> wrote: > >> Johannes Jost Meixner <johannes@meixner.dk> writes: >> > I - as a male - feel not only not tolerated, but also discriminated >> > against, >> >> There are approximately 400 active committers, and not even five of >> those are women. How the *hell* can you claim to be discriminated >> against when you are part of a 99% majority? > > It's all tacky to have this on the mailing list, and it's all part of his > campaign for what he thinks is going to work, because he knows I was asked > by core to keep things quiet. He's continuing to target and harass women, > however, myself included. This will be my single post on the matter on this > mailing list, because this is not the right place to air FreeBSD's dirty > laundry, despite him repeatedly trying. > > A few days ago, a tweet was brought to the attention of my org. It was some > MRA/PUA/super racist guy, although I hadn't heard of him before that night. > He had posted a picture of a black boy child getting raped along with a > snarky statement. We focus more on dev policies and mitigation techniques. > This was an extreme case, however. We responded, and this person's account > was quickly suspended, as was one of his friends, who commented "boys will > be boys". This guy was furious and started directing a stream of vitriol at > me from his blog, to which Johannes decided to contribute because he's made > it his mission to seek out abusive people and drive them to further > harassment. This is who he's siding with. This is what he's contributing. > > The "male tears" comment wasn't even in relation to Johannes, but instead a > reddit thread, which he decided to crop out of the images. In this thread, > several people from GamerGate and people outside the project had started > posting about SJWs and bigotry before it was eventually moderated by > cperciva@. However, he's very determined to find fault in anything I say > and find a way to direct it at himself. He's annoying, and he's been > threatening me and constantly trying to stir up a mob, with little success. > Shockingly, my software works at blocking out the mobs. Weird, huh? > > Maybe if I could spend less time writing software to mitigate harassment, I > could spend time contributing to FreeBSD again. Unfortunately, internet > culture is what it is, and it takes time to change, one company or open > source project at a time. I wish I could say that I'm shocked that people > would object to a Code of Conduct as Johannes did several times - very > loudly - but I'm really not. People dislike change, especially cultural > change that challenges their social position. It's understandable. However, > women make up less than 2% of open source developers. FreeBSD falls below > the average. If the project wants to change that, the environment needs to > be made more welcoming to women. Right now, it's not, which is made very > clear by this mailing list discussion. > _______________________________________________ > freebsd-advocacy@freebsd.org mailing list > http://lists.freebsd.org/mailman/listinfo/freebsd-advocacy > To unsubscribe, send any mail to "freebsd-advocacy-unsubscribe@freebsd.org"
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