From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Mon Nov 26 21:33:19 2007 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24E5816A46C for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:33:19 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: from outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com (outbound-mail-19.bluehost.com [69.89.20.234]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E41CA13C4E8 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:33:18 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (qmail 25798 invoked by uid 0); 26 Nov 2007 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box183.bluehost.com) (69.89.25.183) by mailproxy1.bluehost.com with SMTP; 26 Nov 2007 21:33:16 -0000 Received: from c-24-9-123-251.hsd1.co.comcast.net ([24.9.123.251] helo=demeter.hydra) by box183.bluehost.com with esmtps (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.68) (envelope-from ) id 1IwlZs-0002zS-N3 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:16 -0700 Received: from demeter.hydra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id lAQLXqAL034984 for ; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:52 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) Received: (from ren@localhost) by demeter.hydra (8.13.6/8.13.6/Submit) id lAQLXp5j034983 for freebsd-questions@freebsd.org; Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:51 -0700 (MST) (envelope-from perrin@apotheon.com) X-Authentication-Warning: demeter.hydra: ren set sender to perrin@apotheon.com using -f Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 14:33:51 -0700 From: Chad Perrin To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Message-ID: <20071126213351.GK29622@demeter.hydra> Mail-Followup-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org References: <000401c82fb0$191b53b0$f300a8c0@outkast> <000301c82fbe$6ff618b0$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126013321.GA82569@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001d01c82fd1$d0722130$6701a8c0@mobility> <20071126130142.GA85191@melon.esperance-linux.co.uk> <001701c83046$1c3af910$6d00a8c0@mobility> <474AF981.3080709@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <474AF981.3080709@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.3i X-Identified-User: {737:box183.bluehost.com:apotheon:apotheon.net} {sentby:bopbeforesmtp 24.9.123.251 authed with apotheon.com} X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - box183.bluehost.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - freebsd.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [737 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - apotheon.com Subject: Re: who wrote this X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Nov 2007 21:33:19 -0000 On Mon, Nov 26, 2007 at 05:51:13PM +0100, Dominic Fandrey wrote: > eBoundHost: Artur wrote: > > 2) That's the thing, banning hitlers name is not at all what i'm trying > > to do. I think we should keep his quotes in the database of quotes, if > > that's what the community thinks is appropriate. What I'm suggesting is > > that we remove his name from the website: > > (http://www.freebsd.org/internal/fortunes.html) because it seems to > > innapropriately focus the attention away from the program (Fortune) and > > unecessarily makes the FreeBSD community seem like a bunch of > > insensitive jerks because we seemingly condone hitlers sayings. > > ... > > Quote from the linked website: > > If an entry offends more than a couple of FreeBSD committers and does not > > contain any objective poignant historical reference, the entry should be in > > the offensive file. > > I'm not a freebsd committer, but I do feel offended by Hitler quotes (being > German that is understandable, I think). And it's unthinkable for me to put > anything he said anywhere else but into offensive. > Just by being his words a quote is put into an offensive (and not amusing) > context. I'm offended by Germany's tendency to jail people for talking about Hitler, too -- but I don't let that convince me to killfile everything said by Germans on this list. Just as not all things Hitler said should necessarily be wiped from memory (in fact, I believe they should be carefully saved and studied to help us understand where the world went wrong in allowing his crimes to be committed), not all statements by people who want to censor Hitler's words (or even those that happen to be nationally associated with such people) should be censored either. -- CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ] Thomas McCauley: "The measure of a man's real character is what he would do if he knew he would never be found out."