From owner-freebsd-current Wed Mar 4 07:11:46 1998 Return-Path: Received: (from majordom@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) id HAA17095 for freebsd-current-outgoing; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:11:46 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG) Received: from Kitten.mcs.com (Kitten.mcs.com [192.160.127.90]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id HAA17063; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 07:11:38 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from karl@Mars.mcs.net) Received: from Mars.mcs.net (karl@Mars.mcs.net [192.160.127.85]) by Kitten.mcs.com (8.8.7/8.8.2) with ESMTP id IAA17985; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:37:22 -0600 (CST) Received: (from karl@localhost) by Mars.mcs.net (8.8.7/8.8.2) id IAA14502; Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:37:21 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <19980304083721.56007@mcs.net> Date: Wed, 4 Mar 1998 08:37:21 -0600 From: Karl Denninger To: John Kelly Cc: "Jordan K. Hubbard" , dyson@FreeBSD.ORG, Chuck Robey , current@FreeBSD.ORG Subject: Re: Donations. References: <1444.889019123@time.cdrom.com> <35025f98.6661194@mail.cetlink.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.84 In-Reply-To: <35025f98.6661194@mail.cetlink.net>; from John Kelly on Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 02:07:29PM +0000 Sender: owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Precedence: bulk X-Loop: FreeBSD.ORG On Wed, Mar 04, 1998 at 02:07:29PM +0000, John Kelly wrote: > On Wed, 04 Mar 1998 05:45:23 -0800, "Jordan K. Hubbard" > wrote: > > >> With a pool of $500,000 to spend, neither Jordan nor core should be > >> deciding what gets funded. Funding decisions should be controlled by > >> the donors themselves, collectively. And voting is the only way to do > >> that. > > > >This is a complete waste of time. I've already told you - if you have > >a problem with the way funding is allocated then simply don't donate > >funds, it's very simple. Can we get back to work now? > > > > Jordan > > Keeping my money is one of the easiest things I can do. > > If you can't see the value of meaningful donor incentives, someone > else will. Bingo. MCSNet could make a reasonably-sized donation to this cause (few thousand bucks) and would have no problem with doing so. In fact, if we had some idea what that incremental funding would do, I could make the business case to be significantly more generous. Simply put, money ain't the issue. The issue is that there are certain things that we really *NEED* fixed, and to stay as priorities in remaining fixed as time goes on (things that used to work, and are now broken for example - specifically, NFS issues for one, and behavior under troublesome SCSI conditions [ie: returns of a defective block from the controller] for another). I'm running kernels and OSs patched up from November, specifically because since then the stability of -CURRENT is bad enough from both direct observation and reports that if the risks grossly outweigh the rewards of trying to roll an upgrade through the network right now. If I fund the *breakage* of something critical to us, I'm shooting myself in the foot. That's unwise. I understand that Jordan and the rest of the core team have their own priorities. They sometimes don't mesh with mine. Ok, good and well. I work around what I can, patch around what I can't work around, and remain a few rev levels back if necessary in certain areas. That level of choice is one of the nicities of a free operating system environment with source code in a CVS tree. But for me to justify shaking loose the money on the tree, I need to be able to show benefit. That's just business - its not personal in any way. -- -- Karl Denninger (karl@MCS.Net)| MCSNet - Serving Chicagoland and Wisconsin http://www.mcs.net/ | T1's from $600 monthly to FULL DS-3 Service | NEW! K56Flex support on ALL modems Voice: [+1 312 803-MCS1 x219]| EXCLUSIVE NEW FEATURE ON ALL PERSONAL ACCOUNTS Fax: [+1 312 803-4929] | *SPAMBLOCK* Technology now included at no cost To Unsubscribe: send mail to majordomo@FreeBSD.org with "unsubscribe freebsd-current" in the body of the message