From owner-svn-src-head@freebsd.org Sun Jun 4 18:43:22 2017 Return-Path: Delivered-To: svn-src-head@mailman.ysv.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:1900:2254:206a::19:1]) by mailman.ysv.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CD16B95403; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 18:43:22 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (br1.CN84in.dnsmgr.net [69.59.192.140]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 172E47FC84; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 18:43:21 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: from pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id v54IhJAD008849; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net) Received: (from freebsd@localhost) by pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net (8.13.3/8.13.3/Submit) id v54IhJWt008848; Sun, 4 Jun 2017 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT) (envelope-from freebsd) From: "Rodney W. Grimes" Message-Id: <201706041843.v54IhJWt008848@pdx.rh.CN85.dnsmgr.net> Subject: Re: svn commit: r318441 - in head/etc: . cron.d In-Reply-To: To: Warner Losh Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2017 11:43:19 -0700 (PDT) CC: "Rodney W. Grimes" , Colin Percival , John Baldwin , Baptiste Daroussin , Ngie Cooper , "svn-src-head@freebsd.org" , "svn-src-all@freebsd.org" , src-committers Reply-To: rgrimes@freebsd.org X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4ME+ PL121h (25)] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-BeenThere: svn-src-head@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: SVN commit messages for the src tree for head/-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2017 18:43:22 -0000 [ Charset UTF-8 unsupported, converting... ] > On Sun, Jun 4, 2017 at 12:32 PM, Rodney W. Grimes < > freebsd@pdx.rh.cn85.dnsmgr.net> wrote: > > > [ Charset windows-1252 unsupported, converting... ] > > > On 06/03/17 21:39, Rodney W. Grimes wrote: > > > > Are we going to end up with /etc/rc.conf.d? > > > > > > We've had this for over 15 years -- ever since NetBSD rc.d system was > > > imported. > > > > We have had it, but it ships empty, that is different than what is > > going on with newsyslog/syslog/cron, we have had those too for > > various amounts of time, but now we are not shipping them empty. > > > > Shipping empty is over rated. What's the point of having a feature we can > use to make things less monolithic if we don't use that feature? Shipped empty is extremly valuable, it is why we have /etc/defaults/rc.conf and ship without an /etc/rc.conf. It would be nice to have similiar functionality for all of this. The feature is there for the system administrators to use, not for the developers to use to implement policies rather than methods. -- Rod Grimes rgrimes@freebsd.org