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Date:      05 Aug 2002 11:24:07 -0700
From:      Ken McGlothlen <mcglk@artlogix.com>
To:        Ganesh Kumar <alganesh@m-net.arbornet.org>
Cc:        freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG
Subject:   Re: I KINDLY NEED YOUR ASSISTANCE
Message-ID:  <86n0s12mgo.fsf@ralf.artlogix.com>
In-Reply-To: <20020805025023.K94408-100000@m-net.arbornet.org>
References:  <20020805025023.K94408-100000@m-net.arbornet.org>

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Ganesh Kumar <alganesh@m-net.arbornet.org> writes:

| Can anyone give suitable suggestions for stopping [spam]?

Mail filters generate too many false positives, don't screen out all the spam,
and still permit the traffic to occupy your network.

The spam isn't the problem---the ISPs who operate open relays or who permit
spammers to stay on their networks are.  The only viable solution I've found is
to block the spammers at the connection level.

Since midnight, August 1, I've blocked 82 spams.  50 of those were spam
attempts from South Korea, 8 from China, 3 from quixnet.net, one from ttd.es,
one from t-dialin.net, and the other 18 were blocked by spamcop.net's blackhole
service.

My bounce messages (the ones that are blocked by my list rather than external
blackhole lists) include a sneakemail.com contact address, so that anyone
trying to send legitimate email can still contact me---but I can deactivate
that address quickly if someone tries to use it for spamming.

That's 82 spams that never made it onto my network in 4.5 days, with no false
positives.  Pretty cool.

Of course, my little collection of domains aren't well-trafficked, like
freebsd.org, so they probably couldn't afford to be as draconian as I've been.
I've blocked some major ISPs in other countries that just couldn't get their
crap together (wanadoo.fr, for example), and then some countries were just such
humongous sources of spam that I started blocking them entirely.

If I do get a responsible admin (it's happened---once) writing me over the
sneakemail.com address, and I'm satisfied they're sincere and responsive, I
unblock their net.

The only way I can see that will actually stop spam is if enough people block
spam at the connection level that ISPs are forced to clean up their act.  I do
wish the FreeBSD people would do so on their mailing lists, which are popular
enough that it would surely create customer pressure on the offending ISPs.

But I'm not in charge of that.  :)


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