From owner-freebsd-hackers@FreeBSD.ORG Tue Jul 17 09:25:44 2012 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28A321065672 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:25:44 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [89.206.35.99]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F23D8FC18 for ; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:25:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id q6H9PeP4026883; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:25:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Received: from localhost (wojtek@localhost) by wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl (8.14.5/8.14.5/Submit) with ESMTP id q6H9PexG026880; Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:25:40 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from wojtek@wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl) Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:25:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Wojciech Puchar To: Eduardo Morras In-Reply-To: <4FA882720124B385@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) Message-ID: References: <4FF4BEED.10103@FreeBSD.org> <62039A45-92E4-4588-988D-6DF39D7B01E5@bsdimp.com> <201207050922.25815.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20120705082857.GB37083@server.rulingia.com> <4FF55864.8040807@FreeBSD.org> <4FF5BE93.4010509@my.gd> <20120705170944.GA43725@DataIX.net> <20120705131518.06898223@bhuda.mired.org> <4FA882720124B385@> (added by postmaster@resmaa13.ono.com) User-Agent: Alpine 2.00 (BSF 1167 2008-08-23) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Greylist: Sender passed SPF test, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.2.7 (wojtek.tensor.gdynia.pl [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 17 Jul 2012 11:25:40 +0200 (CEST) Cc: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org Subject: Re: Pull in upstream before 9.1 code freeze? X-BeenThere: freebsd-hackers@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Technical Discussions relating to FreeBSD List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 17 Jul 2012 09:25:44 -0000 >> the behavior of shells is an even worse idea than turning this nanny >> behavior on for everyone. > > Add sysctl for apps is a no-no, sysctl is for system control, not userland still this stupid idea topics continue? Is FreeBSD finally intended to be unix implementation or feature war with linux/windows? STOP IT.