From owner-freebsd-x11@FreeBSD.ORG Tue May 18 19:52:28 2010 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78D7B1065743 for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 19:52:28 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from peterjeremy@acm.org) Received: from mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au [211.29.132.197]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0721A8FC0C for ; Tue, 18 May 2010 19:52:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (c211-30-160-13.mirnd2.nsw.optusnet.com.au [211.30.160.13] (may be forged)) by mail16.syd.optusnet.com.au (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id o4IJqMsi019215 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 19 May 2010 05:52:23 +1000 X-Bogosity: Ham, spamicity=0.000000 Received: from server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (localhost.vk2pj.dyndns.org [127.0.0.1]) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id o4IJqKK8013395; Wed, 19 May 2010 05:52:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org) Received: (from peter@localhost) by server.vk2pj.dyndns.org (8.14.4/8.14.4/Submit) id o4IJqKdC013394; Wed, 19 May 2010 05:52:20 +1000 (EST) (envelope-from peter) Date: Wed, 19 May 2010 05:52:20 +1000 From: Peter Jeremy To: "J. Altman" Message-ID: <20100518195220.GA70250@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> References: <20100517004537.GA91382@chanas.pair.com> <20100517200412.GB52057@server.vk2pj.dyndns.org> <20100517211520.GA99190@chanas.pair.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp" Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20100517211520.GA99190@chanas.pair.com> X-PGP-Key: http://members.optusnet.com.au/peterjeremy/pubkey.asc User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) Cc: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org Subject: Re: I am...unimpressed with this newest upgrade of X X-BeenThere: freebsd-x11@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: X11 on FreeBSD -- maintaining and support List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 19:52:28 -0000 --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 2010-May-17 17:15:20 -0400, "J. Altman" = wrote: >On Tue, May 18, 2010 at 06:04:12AM +1000, Peter Jeremy wrote: >> I agree that Xorg quality has gone downhill since the 6.x series=20 > >6.x FreeBSD, or 6.x X? Xorg 6.x >I only know that suddenly, at least two applications are crashing. My >post to -questions basically asks if anyone else is seeing the same >issue; so far, no one else seems to be seeing the issue with >Seamonkey. If no-one else is seeing the issue then it would seem to be something related to your upgrade or choice of ports options. If you want more concrete answers, you need to provide more details. >I can understand (and have lived with) non-critical things failing; >but it seems that Intel and ATI GPUs are not non-critical.=20 Which specific GPUs? >If security was not an issue, then I hope it is not decided that it >was a case of seeing something shiny that led to the decision to >upgrade X on FreeBSD. IMO, the trailing edge is a comfortable >place. But I can understand the pressure that might be applied to >maintainers by early adopters of new shininess.=20 The newer Xorg is needed to support newer GPUs - vendors continuously "ugrade" their GPUs and the newer GPUs need new code to support them. Unfortunately, the Xorg project doesn't bother much with ensuring that Xorg still works with older GPUs and so there are usually regressions and POLA violations. >Doubtful. That would require multiple machines. You can build/install in a jail, chroot or (if you have ZFS) clone and then creatively use symlinks for testing. Given the scale of the ports changes since late March, rebuilding from scratch will take a similar amount of time to upgrading and has a lower risk of misbehaving in obscure ways. --=20 Peter Jeremy --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.14 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkvy7/QACgkQ/opHv/APuIcsRgCfeKFn3MVf605vEX2VGM4j9Jpc IgMAniTFzXiBaJ6zP/06tEXUiq1qb1Kq =9mYe -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --LQksG6bCIzRHxTLp--