From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Thu Jan 5 18:28:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: current@freebsd.org Delivered-To: freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Received: from mx1.FreeBSD.org (mx1.freebsd.org [216.136.204.125]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC8F16A41F; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:28:34 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ender@tog.net) Received: from tog.net (tog.net [216.89.226.5]) by mx1.FreeBSD.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F11043D91; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 18:28:13 +0000 (GMT) (envelope-from ender@tog.net) Received: by tog.net (Postfix, from userid 96) id 18BB329B6C6; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:28:12 -0500 (EST) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0-terranovanet_v6 (2005-09-13) on doppelganger.terranova.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.1 required=7.1 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL,BAYES_00 autolearn=ham version=3.1.0-terranovanet_v6 Received: from [192.168.8.150] (host-216-89-225-138.terranova.net [216.89.225.138]) by tog.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A3E29B6A3; Thu, 5 Jan 2006 13:28:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <43BD64C4.4090307@tog.net> Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 13:26:12 -0500 From: Ender User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (Windows/20050923) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel O'Connor References: <43A266E5.3080103@samsco.org> <200512231126.51500.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> <20060105093220.GJ1358@svcolo.com> <200601052112.09446.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> In-Reply-To: <200601052112.09446.doconnor@gsoft.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: stable@freebsd.org, freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, current , Jo Rhett , K?vesd?n G?bor , Peter Jeremy Subject: Re: FreeBSD Update is the binary update solution [Re: HEADS UP: Release schedule for 2006] X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2006 18:28:34 -0000 Daniel O'Connor wrote: >On Thu, 5 Jan 2006 20:02, Jo Rhett wrote: > > >>On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:26:44AM +1030, Daniel O'Connor wrote: >> >> >>>How do you expect these two to be handled in a binary upgrade? >>>I can't see how it's possible.. >>> >>> >>Look around. Every major commercial OS does it just fine. Most of the >>open source OSes do it just fine. Debian had probably the easiest to use >>system, and they've risen, owned the world and fallen all while FreeBSD has >>been debating this issue. >> >> > >You appear to be misunderstanding what I said. > >I'm not arguing binary upgrades shouldn't be done but I'm suggesting that it >isn't NECESSARY to version and package the base install to do it. > > > >>>I don't think integrating it with the core OS (whatever that means) will >>>magically fix this. >>> >>> >>If you knew what it meant, you would understand why it would help. >> >> > >Ah what a great explanation of what is meant. >There are several people who don't know what is meant here and I haven't seen >a decent explanation forthcoming. > > > I think what "integrated with the core OS" means from a user standpoint is: from a fresh minimum install of freebsd I can type "freebsd-update-whatever" and it will update my system.