From owner-freebsd-isp Tue Nov 25 09:09:02 1997 Return-Path: Received: (from root@localhost) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA27822 for isp-outgoing; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:09:02 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from owner-freebsd-isp) Received: from inspace.net (nova.ispace.com [207.204.40.7]) by hub.freebsd.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA27808 for ; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 09:08:56 -0800 (PST) (envelope-from gme@inspace.net) Received: from caffeine (caffeine.inspace.net [207.204.40.248]) by inspace.net (8.8.6) (8.8.6) (SPAM Stopper: 3.0b2) with SMTP id MAA03557; Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:07:48 -0500 (EST) From: "George M. Ellenburg" To: "jack" , "Wu Jie" Cc: , Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 12:06:33 -0500 Message-ID: <01bcf9c4$7b429a80$f828cccf@caffeine> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by hub.freebsd.org id JAA27809 Sender: owner-freebsd-isp@freebsd.org X-Loop: FreeBSD.org Precedence: bulk -----Original Message----- From: jack To: Wu Jie Cc: grog@lemis.com ; isp@freebsd.org Date: Tuesday, November 25, 1997 11:54 AM Subject: Re: Web Page Restrictions |On Tue, 25 Nov 1997, Wu Jie wrote: |The web and email are two entirely different areas. By using that M$ crap |you are producing mail that is not in compliance with RFC1855. Of course |Bill has never let little things like standards get in his way. RFC-822 and RFC-1855 were written before the onslaught of newbies en masse flocking to the Internet. We are all ISP's guys, it's these newbies en masse which pay our bills and which keeps us in business, have we forgotten that? Standards change with the market. The fact of the matter is, today, our customers are not using VT-52 or VT-100 terminals to log into a Unix machine to use gopher. Our customers power up their workstations, connect to us via PPP, and surf the Web - with pretty graphics, Java, DHTML, Plug-Ins, etc. If everyone here is so hard headed about standards, then you're being a hypocrite for going to Blockbuster and renting a video tape. A VHS tape at that - when it's a known fact that Beta produced a much higher picture quality (and is still in use today by television stations and ENG crews). VHS survived. Why? JVC's marketing, not Sony's with Beta. The *original* VHS standard never supported stereo. Guess I shouldn't have been watching my copy of Independence Day with my Dolby Surround System when it came out on tape. The *original* standard never supported stereo. The standard has now been bastardized. Standards change with the times, market pressures, and more. Frankly guys. there's too much in this world to worry about than over this petty diatribe of a thread. In the immortal words of a young black man in L.A. back in the late 80's... "Can't we all just get along?"