From owner-freebsd-questions@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Oct 28 01:02:25 2009 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40821065694 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:02:24 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from nomadlogic@gmail.com) Received: from mail-gx0-f214.google.com (mail-gx0-f214.google.com [209.85.217.214]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78F48FC20 for ; Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:02:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so286426gxk.13 for ; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 18:02:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=rZ3bRhrqeOn6oK8ixQHRPQ6L9wXY3gGDuPYVFXbh4uw=; b=eNLDL9Y6b4ultKTPMtZ3uFQAXSLDMN7QRhYIGTjJ5LJ/X2A8Pkgx54umRTDkHzkKrB BORj6bM2VICZtp19lMZ+ClfST5x4fmM3HdrGMj5K5TFkzmsoTkidzYMmQlH4zcqirK/I Dv67bFcNtT3TpFaJwH+GjzMYsE87rYL2x1A/c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MNMd0kKEF0TkgKxMPq5GgMjKBlHMOAj+sudeytMwbLz7HNJj5SHs3iTiqKlAubp/NP 5zOJfysDZ46lEYlZhdNJDUBBfNr5yTsDYsEnuXGhi4pXeh4Kgflb3r7K80pUN4CmCgYY g8vstuc/Srk8ktPmJkLnoUMR/ACG/1KG2oa/4= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.106.6 with SMTP id e6mr6710980ybc.87.1256690500506; Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:41:40 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> References: <4AE5F897.3000103@rawbw.com> <200910270916.31033.j.mckeown@ru.ac.za> <20091027021723.M88213@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027142502.Q91143@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> <20091027191626.T92033@qroenaqrq.6qbyyneqvnyhc.pbz> Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 17:41:40 -0700 Message-ID: <57d710000910271741p7429d4feh150ecbe6cddd3d2e@mail.gmail.com> From: pete wright To: Lars Eighner Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Jonathan McKeown , freebsd-questions@freebsd.org, utisoft@gmail.com Subject: Re: Why is sendmail is part of the system and not a package? X-BeenThere: freebsd-questions@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: User questions List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 01:02:25 -0000 On Tue, Oct 27, 2009 at 5:16 PM, Lars Eighner wrote: >> You guessed wrong. >> >> We use m4, which cuts out most of the crap that you had to write into >> sendmail.cf. You write sendmail.mc and compile it. Sendmail.mc on my >> system is less than 50 lines long, including comments. >> >> http://www.sendmail.org/m4/intro.html > > That's as poorly documented and incomprehensible as .cf by hand. =A0What = is > your interest in sendmail? =A0Are you connected with it in someway? =A0Su= rely, > yours could not be the opinion of someone who doesn't get a piece of > O'Reilly's royalties. =A0It's the same old crap, give the software away, = sell > the documentation. > well shit man - Eric's actually a super nice guy and has made some major contributions to computing so I reckon he deserves *some* respect for the work he's done on sendmail. and frankly I find it easier to setup a SMART_HOST in my .m4 and dist out my resulting configs to my servers in my production clusters. I also have the added benefit that i know sendmail is being tracked as part of the base system so it makes it easier for me to monitor patches w/o having to track ports. For more complex systems (my relay for example) - sure I use postfix, and freebsd makes this quite easy to do as well. if you don't want to use sendmail on your machines it's easy - just don't use it. -pete --=20 pete wright www.nycbug.org