From owner-freebsd-current@FreeBSD.ORG Wed Mar 11 20:24:55 2015 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-current@freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [8.8.178.115]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 637DCEBC for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:24:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-lb0-x22d.google.com (mail-lb0-x22d.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4010:c04::22d]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (Client CN "smtp.gmail.com", Issuer "Google Internet Authority G2" (verified OK)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E3B94876 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:24:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: by lbiz11 with SMTP id z11so11462678lbi.13 for ; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:24:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject :from:to:cc:content-type; bh=G24FvItJDvkLl5AlGYSxHLg95UCDu+ecRsQsDzfD4ew=; b=QfeHUqtJ5JUUcM+/7Rq74wt6nGEq7X1gn5aBV7tUUtxv2OBuWejGyv/K6GRvZICm+9 xpUM+v0T8HRqKL4QKF1EKrxrxBgWn/vXoq0x1bs+8VlFOqBH5xEGUh+aPN73QX5NXfvq H13I/Y1jRkmbPshODc6S251lod5elehinVfe/fJfIw1UAUz8IJoO1x85naZg6vi+VLdw jDSaNCujwrPhBXrxyoDuCF5IzxVIDUhvisLrzYJiZmJ+9fwYVDq3nA2v3sgxh1NWFNgN bugN6WKBikIivM2AmT0c4b1c2xNGtwousKQs9xY0MKcdM80Im2Vb25d7PWvsjcPzgxxF 5hjg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.26.209 with SMTP id n17mr30979064lbg.84.1426105492481; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:24:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: crodr001@gmail.com Received: by 10.112.82.164 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:24:52 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <54F34B6E.2040809@astrodoggroup.com> <54F35F29.4000603@astrodoggroup.com> <54F429EF.5050400@freebsd.org> <54F46536.8040607@mu.org> <54F4C03F.7030704@freebsd.org> <54F4FECB.90501@freebsd.org> <197AA5DC-0591-4F71-BF10-51A5D8104C11@mu.org> <54F5270D.1010009@freebsd.org> <20150303173223.GQ95752@strugglingcoder.info> <93307065-F026-42DE-A2D2-3843619BAD1A@mu.org> Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 13:24:52 -0700 X-Google-Sender-Auth: iPw7q4QQ0t1LYIpuwMDzj2i5VzM Message-ID: Subject: Re: Massive libxo-zation that breaks everything From: Craig Rodrigues To: Justin Hibbits Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.18-1 Cc: "freebsd-current@freebsd.org" X-BeenThere: freebsd-current@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18-1 Precedence: list List-Id: Discussions about the use of FreeBSD-current List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2015 20:24:55 -0000 On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 11:07 AM, Justin Hibbits wrote: > On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 10:39 AM, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Mar 3, 2015, at 9:32 AM, hiren panchasara < > hiren@strugglingcoder.info> wrote: > >> > >>> On 03/02/15 at 07:33P, Alfred Perlstein wrote: > >>> > >>>>> > >>> > >>> Actually I want to shame third party ports into adopting libxo (or at > least providing machine readable output). > >>> > >>> I know it's scary to try to lead the pack, after all we could be > wrong, but maybe it's time to try something new and see what happens. > >>> > >>> And no, your idea doesn't make sense it just will lead to those files > bit rotting. > >>> > >>> Bedsides that you don't even have a real spec other than "it should be > done differently". > >>> > >>> Again, show the code. > >> > >> Wow. He told you want he didn't like and he moved on. I hope/wish we as > >> a project can take criticism more positively than this. > >> > >> Answer to every criticism should not be "show me your code". We (should) > >> know better than that. > > > > Maybe I am too old school but the motd on freefall is still "now shut up > and code". I still believe that's right. > > > > We ALL need to know when to step back from an issue we really do not > have the bandwidth to constructively contribute to. > > > > This doesn't mean ideas or concerns aren't valid, but that unless you > truly have the bandwidth to contribute, taking a step back is a good idea. > > > > -Alfred. > > You're both right. Maybe we need a hackathon on this. Is BSDCan too late? > > BSDCan Devsummit has a room available for a Hackathon. If you or anybody else wants to add work items to the Hackathon that you are interested in working on, please add it to the wiki page: https://wiki.freebsd.org/action/login/201506DevSummit#Hackathon_Topics It's OK to add work items there, but please only add them to the wiki page unless you are confident that you will show up to the hackathon and at least try to work on the item. :) Many thanks to the Devsummit organizers for providing a room for the Hackathon. -- Craig