From owner-freebsd-stable@freebsd.org Mon Aug 31 21:59:51 2020 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-stable@mailman.nyi.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2610:1c1:1:606c::19:1]) by mailman.nyi.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 874AC3CFB37 for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 21:59:51 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from hz.grosbein.net (hz.grosbein.net [IPv6:2a01:4f8:c2c:26d8::2]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client CN "hz.grosbein.net", Issuer "hz.grosbein.net" (not verified)) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4BgPJ63yT2z4CQf for ; Mon, 31 Aug 2020 21:59:50 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Received: from eg.sd.rdtc.ru (eg.sd.rdtc.ru [IPv6:2a03:3100:c:13:0:0:0:5]) by hz.grosbein.net (8.15.2/8.15.2) with ESMTPS id 07VLxRwq073585 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=NOT); Mon, 31 Aug 2020 21:59:30 GMT (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) X-Envelope-From: eugen@grosbein.net X-Envelope-To: freebsd-stable@lists.invis.net Received: from [10.58.0.10] (dadvw [10.58.0.10]) by eg.sd.rdtc.ru (8.16.1/8.16.1) with ESMTPS id 07VLxUSX024777 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128 verify=NOT); Tue, 1 Sep 2020 04:59:30 +0700 (+07) (envelope-from eugen@grosbein.net) Subject: Re: Cannot find announcement that min supported i386 CPU is now i686 To: Charles Lecklider References: <4460db23-9a29-7972-1b41-74585764a5d7@lists.invis.net> From: Eugene Grosbein Cc: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org, Warner Losh Message-ID: <1d996708-3c3f-b5ea-a9f7-a4b0e9e7c377@grosbein.net> Date: Tue, 1 Sep 2020 04:59:23 +0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:45.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/45.8.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <4460db23-9a29-7972-1b41-74585764a5d7@lists.invis.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,LOCAL_FROM, NICE_REPLY_A,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Report: * -2.3 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% * [score: 0.0000] * -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record * 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record * 2.6 LOCAL_FROM From my domains * -0.2 NICE_REPLY_A Looks like a legit reply (A) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on hz.grosbein.net X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 4BgPJ63yT2z4CQf X-Spamd-Bar: -- Authentication-Results: mx1.freebsd.org; dkim=none; dmarc=none; spf=permerror (mx1.freebsd.org: domain of eugen@grosbein.net uses mechanism not recognized by this client) smtp.mailfrom=eugen@grosbein.net X-Spamd-Result: default: False [-2.00 / 15.00]; MID_RHS_MATCH_FROM(0.00)[]; ARC_NA(0.00)[]; FREEFALL_USER(0.00)[eugen]; FROM_HAS_DN(0.00)[]; RCPT_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_DN_SOME(0.00)[]; NEURAL_HAM_LONG(-0.99)[-0.989]; MIME_GOOD(-0.10)[text/plain]; DMARC_NA(0.00)[grosbein.net]; NEURAL_HAM_MEDIUM(-0.95)[-0.954]; NEURAL_SPAM_SHORT(0.04)[0.043]; RCVD_COUNT_THREE(0.00)[3]; TO_MATCH_ENVRCPT_SOME(0.00)[]; R_SPF_PERMFAIL(0.00)[empty SPF record]; FROM_EQ_ENVFROM(0.00)[]; R_DKIM_NA(0.00)[]; MIME_TRACE(0.00)[0:+]; ASN(0.00)[asn:24940, ipnet:2a01:4f8::/29, country:DE]; RCVD_TLS_ALL(0.00)[]; MAILMAN_DEST(0.00)[freebsd-stable] X-BeenThere: freebsd-stable@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.33 Precedence: list List-Id: Production branch of FreeBSD source code List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2020 21:59:51 -0000 01.09.2020 1:00, Charles Lecklider via freebsd-stable wrote: > Having just trashed my dual Pentium 233 MMX by installing 11.4 I went > digging to find the cause - and I found it. > > As you can see from objdump below, clearly a decision was made that 11.4 > would no longer support anything before a i686. > > Ignoring for a moment the wisdom of making breaking changes to a minor > version, please could someone tell me where the announcement was made? https://www.freebsd.org/releases/12.1R/relnotes.html section 11.1 discusses the topic in context of upcoming FreeBSD 13. There was some discussion on the topic in the freebsd-arch mailing list about a year ago: https://docs.freebsd.org/cgi/getmsg.cgi?fetch=75083+0+archive/2019/freebsd-arch/20191006.freebsd-arch It seems there was no announcement on the change for 11.x branch. I wonder how much RAM does your Pentium 233 MMX have and what part of the RAM is cacheable by the chipset? :-)