From owner-freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.ORG Sun Jan 27 01:00:04 2008 Return-Path: Delivered-To: freebsd-rc@hub.freebsd.org Received: from mx1.freebsd.org (mx1.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::34]) by hub.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B92016A418 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (freefall.freebsd.org [IPv6:2001:4f8:fff6::28]) by mx1.freebsd.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F18A13C467 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:00:04 +0000 (UTC) (envelope-from gnats@FreeBSD.org) Received: from freefall.freebsd.org (gnats@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m0R104RJ041909 for ; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:00:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats@freefall.freebsd.org) Received: (from gnats@localhost) by freefall.freebsd.org (8.14.2/8.14.1/Submit) id m0R104Bg041908; Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:00:04 GMT (envelope-from gnats) Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:00:04 GMT Message-Id: <200801270100.m0R104Bg041908@freefall.freebsd.org> To: freebsd-rc@FreeBSD.org From: Brooks Davis Cc: Subject: Re: conf/119995: [patch] New rc.d script ddb to load ddb scripts from /etc/ddb.conf X-BeenThere: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list Reply-To: Brooks Davis List-Id: "Discussion related to /etc/rc.d design and implementation." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2008 01:00:04 -0000 The following reply was made to PR conf/119995; it has been noted by GNATS. From: Brooks Davis To: freebsd-rc@freebsd.org Cc: Robert Watson , freebsd-bugs@freebsd.org, bug-followup@freebsd.org Subject: Re: conf/119995: [patch] New rc.d script ddb to load ddb scripts from /etc/ddb.conf Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2008 18:54:08 -0600 --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Jan 26, 2008 at 03:48:30PM -0800, Doug Barton wrote: > Robert Watson wrote: > >=20 > > On Sat, 26 Jan 2008, Brooks Davis wrote: > >=20 > >> IMO we want this in the base and ideally this script or the crash dump > >> script would grow the option to mail text dumps somewhere > >> automatically (off by default of course). This should be as tightly > >> integrated as we can reasonably make it. > >=20 > > I think I'd like to see something along these lines in the base, as > > offering tools to help autonatically configure DDB scripting isn't all > > that different from offering tools to configure firewalls, run user > > scripts, etc. >=20 > I see a fairly significant difference, namely that the other things > you mentioned are things that we expect all of our users to be able to > and/or want to do. No one wants to debug crash dumps. :) I think you've misunderstood what we're suggesting. What all our users want is to never run into any bugs and failing that to have a fix magically appear the moment they do hit one. :) I think this another step toward more reliably providing developers the information they need to discover and fix bugs that users hit. I'd venture to say that 80-90% of panic reports we receive are useless because we don't have what we need to do anything with them and this is a step toward resolving that. I'd really like to see 8.0 ship with textdumps on by default. -- Brooks --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (FreeBSD) iD8DBQFHm9YvXY6L6fI4GtQRAhE1AKCLw4WVAHcXEkIGsZ2Gbim/glj9lwCgzq1C HC2LuHW332Ulum9MHDzUiKU= =+mjp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --c3bfwLpm8qysLVxt--